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2 times 3 can sometimes equal 7 with Android's Neural Network API

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Re: 2 times 3 can sometimes equal 7 with Android's Neural Network API

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Post by perl4ever »

Grimm1 wrote: post #9
Avalaxy wrote: post #7

Using a neural network for things that have clear cut rules is wrong. When you know the exact rules, implement them as such, instead of bruteforcing a guesstimation. This is also why I'm sceptical of the usr of GPT-3 for all sorts of purposes where accuracy is important. Think of the code generation case. Bugs may be very subtle and may go unnoticed.

Code generation only needs to generate code with n bugs where n is less than the number of bugs a human developer generates for it to have usefulness, and maybe some other factor of severity where they are generally less severe than human developers. I think it'll make neat autopilot functionality for developers but not replace the need to have someone look over and understand the code.

This is a perfect satire of the logic people use to advocate self driving cars being rushed into production.

Only every time I read something similar, I think "surely no programmer could think this". Are you a programmer?

Re: 2 times 3 can sometimes equal 7 with Android's Neural Network API

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Post by Grimm1 »

perl4ever wrote: post #11
Grimm1 wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Code generation only needs to generate code with n bugs where n is less than the number of bugs a human developer generates for it to have usefulness, and maybe some other factor of severity where they are generally less severe than human developers. I think it'll make neat autopilot functionality for developers but not replace the need to have someone look over and understand the code.

This is a perfect satire of the logic people use to advocate self driving cars being rushed into production. Only every time I read something similar, I think "surely no programmer could think this". Are you a programmer?

I sure am, and if I can code gen 90% of the boiler plate away I'll do it happily. Besides attacking me, do you have any point you'd like to make?

Re: 2 times 3 can sometimes equal 7 with Android's Neural Network API

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Post by bobthebuilders »

Grimm1 wrote: post #13
perl4ever wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is a perfect satire of the logic people use to advocate self driving cars being rushed into production. Only every time I read something similar, I think "surely no programmer could think this". Are you a programmer?

I sure am, and if I can code gen 90% of the boiler plate away I'll do it happily. Besides attacking me, do you have any point you'd like to make?

Do you want to die when your self driving car crashes? Debug issues when your app des at 12am? Same concept.

Re: 2 times 3 can sometimes equal 7 with Android's Neural Network API

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Post by Grimm1 »

bobthebuilders wrote: post #15
Grimm1 wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I sure am, and if I can code gen 90% of the boiler plate away I'll do it happily. Besides attacking me, do you have any point you'd like to make?

Do you want to die when your self driving car crashes? Debug issues when your app des at 12am? Same concept.

I don't want to die when I crash my own car, and I already debug my own apps at 12am. If your argument is that things need to be perfect than my god you must never leave your home! I'd trust a machine to drive more accurately than most people I see on the highway.

Humans aren't special, in fact more often than not we're sloppy, subject to fatigue, and a whole bunch of other negative things.

That considered, I had a pretty strict qualifier in my above post which means the machine must perform better than the average human in the respective task and therefore I'd be more likely to die driving my own car than a machine meeting my prerequisites.

Re: 2 times 3 can sometimes equal 7 with Android's Neural Network API

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Post by Blikkentrekker »

fuzzfactor wrote: post #14

Never forget there's a reason why they call it Artificial intelligence. Sometimes nothing but the real thing can put you on the correct path.

That has nothing to do with it's “artificiality”.

Some intelligence is simply less intelligent than others.

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