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Please don't say just hello in chat (2013)

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Re: Please don't say just hello in chat (2013)

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I have a link to this site in my chat status. It drives me crazy when someone says “hello” and waits for a reply, or asks if they can ask me a question. In all cases this feels like my time is being wasted.

Just go in and ask your question. Or if you feel the need to be polite, say hello then just ask your question.

If you truly need synchronous communication, then use the damn phone.

Re: Please don't say just hello in chat (2013)

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post #304

Crap, I'm not the only one. A "Hi" conveys no actionable information. It's impossible to triage. It's disrespectful of people's time, even though the sender thinks it's being polite. The further I get in my career, the busier I get, and the more painful this becomes. Relentless prioritization is the only way to get the right shit done. I need to choose and pick where my attention goes to, so please, just ask!

Relentless prioritization. I like that.

Re: Please don't say just hello in chat (2013)

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post #33

>People who do this are generally trying to be polite by not jumping right into the request, like one would in person or on the phone - and that's great! Different people have different reasons but I notice that many people that do a naked "hi" / "hey" are trying to see if the receiver is present for an immediate reply. In other words, the sender deliberately wants a synchronous instead of asynchronous convo. They do…

Yes, I think a better way would be to say “hello, I’d like to have a quick chat with you about XXX. When are you available?”

Just “hello” seems to be rather curt.

Re: Please don't say just hello in chat (2013)

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post #138

On a similar note, please don't send a private message to someone asking a technical question more suitable for a channel. It puts unfair pressure on the receiver, denies others who could help the opportunity to do so, and doesn't help others who have the same question (including the answer not being archived in search).

At my BigCorp just finding the right channel can be very difficult and channels can be a lightly monitored dead end.

That being said I have no problem if someone says, “can you ask this on the Foobar channel?”

Re: Please don't say just hello in chat (2013)

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post #33

>People who do this are generally trying to be polite by not jumping right into the request, like one would in person or on the phone - and that's great! Different people have different reasons but I notice that many people that do a naked "hi" / "hey" are trying to see if the receiver is present for an immediate reply. In other words, the sender deliberately wants a synchronous instead of asynchronous convo. They do…

This is a common theme in my workplace. Especially with everyone working remote and odd hours these days. We use both email and Slack, but most conversations tend to be asynchronous regardless and I frequently wonder why we even have an instant messenger. That said, I find that even if a message is asynchronous, it is much easier to track conversation flow via slack than email. Reply chains and indentations get messy…

I guess I could go something like «Hi I need one of you five people to give me some context on this topic I know little about right now so I can continue on my reasoning for what actions to take by the business to mitigate some problem” and just see who answers first. Now five people are context switching for no reason and I’m a legit problem. When I don’t know what I need. Synchronous communication is very efficient because of faster feedback loops. This is agile and some job types can have a lot of this. Like architects and management. And yes, I hate doing it. Pre March 2020 a strategically timed coffee machine meeting could fix some of these situations with less friction and better social outcomes for future cooperation.

Re: Please don't say just hello in chat (2013)

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post #27

Gods, but this drives me absolutely nuts at work. Like OK, what?! It tells me nothing about the urgency of the matter, let alone what it relates to. So I can put it to the side and keep working - but it's going to be nagging at me "hmm, what if it's about x?". So now I've got to break focus and waste time just to find out how important it is, and what it even relates to. I much prefer "Hi, I have a question regarding…

I also noticed it being more common with offshore (ESL) coworkers.

Re: Please don't say just hello in chat (2013)

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post #325

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is a common theme in my workplace. Especially with everyone working remote and odd hours these days. We use both email and Slack, but most conversations tend to be asynchronous regardless and I frequently wonder why we even have an instant messenger. That said, I find that even if a message is asynchronous, it is much easier to track conversation flow via slack than email. Reply chains and indentations get messy…

I guess I could go something like «Hi I need one of you five people to give me some context on this topic I know little about right now so I can continue on my reasoning for what actions to take by the business to mitigate some problem” and just see who answers first. Now five people are context switching for no reason and I’m a legit problem. When I don’t know what I need. Synchronous communication is very efficient…

Actually I typically say “when do you have some time discussing X?” And sent it to one or two people. Personally I don’t like the phone and it works bad with urls... I find it rather common for techies not to like the phone too much.

Re: Please don't say just hello in chat (2013)

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I would appreciate a more standardized practice around, "If Slack says you are available, we can expect you to respond relatively quickly" than seeing a green dot and not hearing back for hours or a day. No. Slack does not know if I’m at my desk, busy, or even taking a protected me-time lunch break. And no, you cannot expect me to manually update my status in Slack, Teams, Zoom, and every other communication tool I…

Indeed, most people understand that Slack is not guaranteed timely delivery and knows that unless you get a reply the message may not have been received. Usually we just tap the thumb emoji to acknowledge we read and understood the request.

I added a loading indicator emoji at my workplace (and my previous one).

Re: Please don't say just hello in chat (2013)

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am I the only one to think that in the > Keith hi > Tim ...? interaction, the issue is Tim not answering by "hi, what's up" ? I find that utterly rude

One could also argue that it's utterly rude and disrespectful to the other persons' time to just type "hi".

you... never just say "hi" to people ?

Re: Please don't say just hello in chat (2013)

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post #33

>People who do this are generally trying to be polite by not jumping right into the request, like one would in person or on the phone - and that's great! Different people have different reasons but I notice that many people that do a naked "hi" / "hey" are trying to see if the receiver is present for an immediate reply. In other words, the sender deliberately wants a synchronous instead of asynchronous convo. They do…

I find email far superior to messages for general communication, and think it should be the default. People tend to abuse things like slack. Sure YOU want your issue/idea addressed immediately, generally I don't have the bandwidth to handle issues immediately and tend to queue them up and I'll get back with the person. I am a very focused person and constant interruptions turn me off, so I turn slack notifications off and kind of treat it like email as well and check every few hours unless I'm working with someone on something in the NOW.
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