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Facebook Disabled My Account After I Criticized Them

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Re: Facebook Disabled My Account After I Criticized Them

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Or, perhaps, these problems are reasons why large, centralized social networks shouldn’t be allowed to exist.

They exist because they're popular, you can't dictate what is popular among the masses without authoritarianism.

They exist because they’re profitable. They can become unprofitable through democratic legislation.

Re: Facebook Disabled My Account After I Criticized Them

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I wonder if, I'm next after making https://nomorefacebook.xyz but that's why it's good to export contacts and other data now and not when it's too late. And don't use it as login provider.

How do you export contacts? Like many people will not list alternate methods of contact?

Re: Facebook Disabled My Account After I Criticized Them

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Something particularly concerning about this incident is buried further down in the article.

Under the heading "Why Facebook Doesn't Ban Everyone", Lincoln explains how social network theory can identify individuals in networks that are influential. This isn't an exaggeration - basic graph heuristics (such as comparing in/out degree of an individual relative to other parts of the social graph) can easily identify such individuals. Censoring those individuals can have an amplified effect on the graph structure as a whole.

For an example of how just a few individuals can make a big difference on graph structure, check out Watts & Strogatz's 1998 paper, Collective dynamics of 'small-world' networks [0][1]. I'd highly recommend reading it - it's very short and easy to understand.

Essentially, a small number of connectors connecting with random individuals can seriously reduce the average number of steps to connect any two individuals. If Facebook wanted to stop the spread of a narrative that they didn't like, censoring just these few individuals would make it much harder for information to flow through the graph as a whole, and hardly anyone would notice (since Facebook's only censoring a few people.)

Scary.

[0]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Watts–Strogatz_model

[1]: https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/9623998/

Re: Facebook Disabled My Account After I Criticized Them

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This seems overly glib. Facebook’s monopoly status means it’s necessary for many people. As per the post, if this person were a small business owner, or simply not well-connected elsewhere, this could be both financially and personally devastating. As it is, he’s only protected because he has other access to business and personal pages. One company shouldn’t have this sort of arbitrary power over people’s lives.

I find the idea of Facebook being "necessary" for anyone quite spectacularly laughable. This isn't, air or water. You can live without it, and many people happily do. Facebook is about as essential as essential oils.

The number of organizations that have given up other means of organizing for FB groups is, well, far too many. With Yahoo Groups gone and Google Groups having the Sword of Damocles hanging over it (not to mention the issues average folks have with using email discussion lists and their effective deprecation by anti-spam measures), FB groups looks like an easy option to people, and suddenly to participate in an activity you need a FB account, or a very communicative friend with one.

Re: Facebook Disabled My Account After I Criticized Them

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They exist because they're popular, you can't dictate what is popular among the masses without authoritarianism.

You don’t have to dictate popularity: just create legal liability frameworks that make a solution like Mastodon more appealing than a solution like Facebook or Twitter

People can still be banned on Mastadon, it changes absolutely nothing. In a world where Mastadon becomes more popular than FB people will complain about being banned from the most popular node instead of the most popular http website.

Re: Facebook Disabled My Account After I Criticized Them

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post #36

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What if you have an Oculus account linked to your FB account? Suddenly you lose all your purchases (I'm very glad that here in Germany sales of the Oculus were suspended over this practice).

I would see that as the price you deserve to pay for trusting an organisation so obviously untrustworthy.

I dislike FB as much as the next guy, but disabling an account full of content you paid for on a whim is wrong regardless of your stance towards FB.

Re: Facebook Disabled My Account After I Criticized Them

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post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I find the idea of Facebook being "necessary" for anyone quite spectacularly laughable. This isn't, air or water. You can live without it, and many people happily do. Facebook is about as essential as essential oils.

That's a short-sighted statement. On a personal level, I completely agree with you. Facebook is a giant waste of time for the typical user and a big +1 for your life if you ditch it. For many business, however, it's critical. My local Snap-on Tools dealer uses it to announce where his truck will be each day and what tools and equipment he's running on special. He hates Facebook but told me the other day that he condu…

I run a business and don’t use Facebook. It’s not necessary.

Re: Facebook Disabled My Account After I Criticized Them

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I think FB has a fundamental issue here, which is that: 1) they don't feel they can NOT police content 2) they are wayyyyy too big to police content manually 3) any AI they train to police content, is not going to be able to state clearly why a given post/account was banned, and anyway... 4) if you state objective, clear rules that are automated, it will be pretty easy to game them (e.g. using euphemisms or code word…

Or, perhaps, these problems are reasons why large, centralized social networks shouldn’t be allowed to exist.

Just don't use them. And try to convince people you know not to. A ban isn't even necessary if enough people decide a platform works against their interests and cease to pay attention to it.

Re: Facebook Disabled My Account After I Criticized Them

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post #62

I wonder if, I'm next after making https://nomorefacebook.xyz but that's why it's good to export contacts and other data now and not when it's too late. And don't use it as login provider.

How do you export contacts? Like many people will not list alternate methods of contact?

Ask for their email, then pen and paper. Or keyboard and a local, maybe synchronized contacts list.

No, not sarcasm, no, not joking. I had decades old email addresses of friends I pinged when the lockdown started, and the vast majority of them got to the intended person.

EDIT: yes, one by one. If they matter to you, they should worth the time.

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