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Pidgin – A Universal Chat Client

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Re: Pidgin – A Universal Chat Client

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Gaim was one of the best apps out there. I'd absolutely love to use it. But what do I use it for? Nowadays I talk to people on Facebook, Whatsapp, Instagram, Slack and Telegram and none of them can be used on Pidgin. Not Pidgin's fault I know. Just companies trying to lock people in.

Just a heads up, at least several of those are supported to varying degrees. Looks like WhatsApp is supported through its web API, and slack and telegram's protocols are supported. Facebook messenger is no go, though.

I'm currently using Pidgin for Facebook Messenger with https://github.com/dequis/purple-facebook/

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Kids can't use computers. http://www.coding2learn.org/blog/2013/07/29/kids-cant-use-co...

a completely different story: when steam engines were replaced with the otto motor and cars became available to the general population, people were able to repair and understand the engines themselves. they had an understanding of mechanical principles. a few generations later, and only car nerds understand cars. everyone else has to go to a mechanic to understand why their car's engine won't start or why it sounds s…

The article does mention this exact thing in the conclusion.

Re: Pidgin – A Universal Chat Client

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Considering this is open source (which I'm assuming includes the plugins), wouldn't this be a much better alternative to the native apps on mobile? Curious as to why this hasn't been ported to Android/iOS. I'd much prefer this over apps that need permission to my blood type to function. Pidgin was great back in the day for convenience, but there is a legitimate argument to be made for privacy here too. EDIT: It just…

Chatty (the default chat app on the Librem 5) reuses parts of Pidgin's code via libpurple.

Also, I've used Pidgin as my main mobile IM client back in the day on the Openmoko Neo Freerunner.

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Okay but people who aren't mechanics, but drive, still know how to do things like turn the car on, and understand that if they turn the steering wheel right, the wheels point to the right. They understand that the car needs gas, even if they don't really know why it needs gas. People who don't know how to use computers treat them like a magic box that may or may not do what they want to, if they use the right magical…

> that may or may not do what they want to Computers inexplicably don't do what you want them to do all the time, though. Modern cars, by contrast, are incredibly reliable even with extremely insufficient maintenance.

I beg to differ: my Mazda MX-5 has a lane departure warning system that flatly gets it wrong all the time. My prior car, a Scion iA, mis-triggered the "smart city breaking" on the freeway and nearly caused an accident. The infotainment system fails bluetooth connections inexplicably, and flatly refuses at accept CarPlay or Android Auto connections periodically. And I keep my cars clean and current with maintenance.

Are these parts not part of the car?

Re: Pidgin – A Universal Chat Client

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> when a technology becomes convenient enough so we don't have to think about it while it fulfills it's purpose, Is a tragically limited view of what computers are. Programmable computers are fundamentally different from steam engines. A steam engine will never be anything except a steam engine. Most of the manufactured objects we encounter in everyday life are similar: single- (or occasionally multi-) purpose goods…

Nope. A computer can only do what the apps installed on it let you do, unless you're an IT person. The things is that you don't need to be an IT person to use applications, as it used to be. So fewer people learn IT skills just so they can play a game or layout a document. I know very little about cars but drive one daily. I can see how other people don't bother learning about computers just so they can write up a re…

The difference is scarcity and readily available tools to retarget the steam engine for a different workload. A steam engine requires tools made of matter to make it provide mechanical power to another system. In essence, a steam engine is just a power supply.

A general purpose computer, on the other hand, includes a power supply, and generally doesnt need tools that change matter to retarget it for another application; the tools needed to do so are made of information, and are thus readily available.

Granted: we as CS folks and business folks are choking off our own sources of talent by hiding the tools and keys needed to truly examine our systems, all in the name of "user-friendlines", but its still possible to use what is exposed to learn computing basics like how wifi works, or what a proxy server are.

To be frank, I think this distinction is precisely why I get frustrated at computing incompetence: a PC at home isn't locked down and has access to these tools. Anyone can learn -- even using a web browser and notepad to write JS.

In contrast, learning how an engine works requires mass-based tools that are big and expensive and require careful knowledge of how to not harm yourself when disassembling or working on the engine.

This distinction is massive, and yet we still use analogies to cars. Shops with tools are not plentiful and readily accessible to average people, the engines can't be examined from the inside out, coils and springs are dangerous physically. I can't just go looking to take a class, either: not all schools have shops!

Re: Pidgin – A Universal Chat Client

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post #396

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Are you talking about the analytics? Which most package managers have. You can easily disable it: https://docs.brew.sh/Analytics#opting-out

None of the most popular package managers, such as those included in Ubuntu, Debian, or CentOS, include spyware by default. ("opt-out", aka "assume consent even if you don't have it".) There are things like popcon that you can opt in to, but those are optional ("opt in"), and aren't on by default. Even just on macOS, neither nixpkgs nor macports will transmit your activities to anyone. I think your "most" claim is in…

Analytics aren’t “spyware.”

Remove the tinfoil hat, dude.

Re: Pidgin – A Universal Chat Client

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post #396

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None of the most popular package managers, such as those included in Ubuntu, Debian, or CentOS, include spyware by default. ("opt-out", aka "assume consent even if you don't have it".) There are things like popcon that you can opt in to, but those are optional ("opt in"), and aren't on by default. Even just on macOS, neither nixpkgs nor macports will transmit your activities to anyone. I think your "most" claim is in…

Analytics aren’t “spyware.” Remove the tinfoil hat, dude.

Spyware isn't about the name you slap on it ('analytics'). Its about not having permission. That's the whole ball game.

Re: Pidgin – A Universal Chat Client

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Analytics aren’t “spyware.” Remove the tinfoil hat, dude.

Spyware isn't about the name you slap on it ('analytics'). Its about not having permission. That's the whole ball game.

Every. Single. Product.

Everyone. Tracks behaviors to improve the product. It’s table stakes.

Often without a disclaimer!

Welcome to the internet.

Be upset about it if you must but it is not equivalent to “spyware.”

Re: Pidgin – A Universal Chat Client

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Spyware isn't about the name you slap on it ('analytics'). Its about not having permission. That's the whole ball game.

Every. Single. Product. Everyone. Tracks behaviors to improve the product. It’s table stakes. Often without a disclaimer! Welcome to the internet. Be upset about it if you must but it is not equivalent to “spyware.”

It doesn't matter how many folks do it. Its spying on you. Its spyware.

At the very least, they're doing a customer survey without compensation. Even if they have no more malicious intent.

Upset? More like resigned. This is just about calling a spade a spade.

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