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Re: Android Ported to RISC-V

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There is Huawei HarmonyOS which I believe aims to be compatible with Android mobile apps but has a different kernel and is not reliant on Google mobile services.

HarmonyOS has nothing to do with Android, besides also supporting Java (proper Java not Android Java dialect), among its official languages. https://developer.harmonyos.com/en/docs/documentation/doc-gu...

wrong according to wikipedia, its a direct rip off of android https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HarmonyOS

Huawei claimed that HarmonyOS is a microkernel-based, distributed OS that is completely different from Android and iOS. [23] However, it was later revealed that HarmonyOS 1.0 was based on Android 9 and supported ADB, the Android Debug Bridge. [24] In September 2020, it was found that HDC, the debug bridge in HarmonyOS 2.0, was again based on ADB. [25][26] A video of HarmonyOS 2.0 developer beta running on mobile was then posted, showing that the beta was just the same as Android 10 and no significant changes have been made in the name of HarmonyOS operating system. [27][28][29][30]

The future architecture, however, would be based only on HarmonyOS microkernel, according to the HarmonyOS roadmap.

Re: Android Ported to RISC-V

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That's good though. That means they have to invest in R&D instead of depending on exploiting cheap labour to brute-force their way into the market. If they invest in R&D, they need creative people who are up to date. Such people tend to bring change to the society at large(I'd say democracy is really good for creativeness to flourish). Basically, the goal is not to expunge them from the market, the goal is to make th…

Is it democracy that is good for creativeness, or capitalism? I think what China has shown is that democracy and capitalism can be decoupled. Ive always believed that capitalism and democracy are synergistic forms of freedom. The individual freedom to own property and trade with each other on the one hand, and our freedom as sovereign individuals to have a say in the organisation of society. The CCP has established t…

It's much too early to say. The average Chinese citizen is poorer than the average Romanian (a relatively poor country and a democracy), let alone the average American.

China's economy is big because there are a lot of Chinese, not because the average individual is doing so well.

Re: Android Ported to RISC-V

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It's hard for people to be creative under pressure. Half the work in management of software companies is managing employee stress so they can do their work efficiently. My point is precisely that to get creativeness, you have to create right environment and that environment leads the way to less authoritarian rule.

> It's hard for people to be creative under pressure. How is it then, that inventions seem to accelerate during times of war? WWII alone saw the invention of, or massive improvements to rocketry, the jet engine, cruise missiles, Radar, and the Atomic bomb

They don't, it just seems that way because everything that can be used for war is used. There's a mad rush to productize existing inventions.

People tend to focus on wars during discussions about history so their time periods are overemphasized.

Re: Android Ported to RISC-V

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HarmonyOS has nothing to do with Android, besides also supporting Java (proper Java not Android Java dialect), among its official languages. https://developer.harmonyos.com/en/docs/documentation/doc-gu...

wrong according to wikipedia, its a direct rip off of android https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HarmonyOS Huawei claimed that HarmonyOS is a microkernel-based, distributed OS that is completely different from Android and iOS. [23] However, it was later revealed that HarmonyOS 1.0 was based on Android 9 and supported ADB, the Android Debug Bridge. [24] In September 2020, it was found that HDC, the debug bridge in HarmonyO…

This is what matters when the devices hit the road, "The future architecture, however, would be based only on HarmonyOS microkernel, according to the HarmonyOS roadmap".

Re: Android Ported to RISC-V

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But Computers are not everything. The US did some good tec but the SU too, it's not just black and white.

SU indeed had bright minds who had clever ideas, but its economy favored copying over own innovation. So outside of military field SU didn't have much to boast. "Made in USSR" was used mostly in sarcastic phrases by its own population.

>So outside of military field SU didn't have much to boast.

Well that was more or less the only field where money and researchers where available in huge quantities.

That's kind of a interesting article:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timeline_of_Russian_innovation

Re: Android Ported to RISC-V

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There is sense of mystique associated with the Soviet Union but the best they managed to build were AKs, Soyuz, Chernobyl, all interesting and robust in its own ways but not all that competitive in terms of performance, so,

The Soviets didn't actually round their scientists up and force them to work. That's basically just US propaganda version of Soviet system. Not to say that never happened, but its incredibly reductionist and inaccurate.

The chief designer of the Soviet space program, Sergei Korolev, was imprisoned on false charges and sentenced to slave labor. This sentence was later reduced to 'merely' eight years in a sharashka, a labor camp for scientists. That's the way to do it: first, show the victim how bad it really can be, then reduce the sentence and the severity, but only on cooperation and good behavior. "Produce or you go back to the mines to die horribly". In a totalitarian regime the stick goes a long way.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sergei_Korolev

Re: Android Ported to RISC-V

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> I mean they basically nicked, against British law, the designs how to mass manufacture textiles. And used slaves to pick the cotton! Talk about "cheap labor". It might sound quaint now, but textiles then where one of the engines of industry growth. The world didn't have mass textiles/clothes production until the industrial revolution. It's like "Yeah, my ancestors bootstrapped this country doing that, and I benefit…

I mean, if the chasm China had to cross was 'not have mass manufactured textiles' -> 'having mass manufactured textiles' I don't think anyone would have an issue. And we didn't. Why do you think China rose out of poverty so quickly? Now, China is not only technologically competitive, but an authoritarian regime. Theft of IP no longer represents trying to get to where the rest of the world is, but rather trying to dom…

>I mean, if the chasm China had to cross was 'not have mass manufactured textiles' -> 'having mass manufactured textiles' I don't think anyone would have an issue

I guess we're so benevolent as to allow them to also steal the fire and wheel IP.

But textiles were part of the 17th-18th century chasm the US had to overcome. China has the equivalent 20-21st century chasms, which are not about textiles but more modern manufacturing and IP.

>Now, China is not only technologically competitive, but an authoritarian regime. Theft of IP no longer represents trying to get to where the rest of the world is, but rather trying to dominate it.

And yet, China has been non-intervetionist for most (all) of its existance (except for neighbor disputes all countries have), whereas the US has been in constant wars (literally, in the old sense, meaning: literally).

If anything, China itself was invaded, from the British and the Japanese.

Them being authoritate is, (a concept seemingly forgotten in the era of rampant interventionism and lack of respect for sovereignity), their problem.

Their people can take them up for it, now, or when they find it convenient. Or they might prefer it that way, for their own (e.g. cultural or historical) reasons. Or just because it works for them (since they did good, poverty, technology, education, etc. wise in the last 50 years or so).

Authoritative concerns are used politically (and thus selectively and at convenient times). When China was a convenient outsourcing outlet for US companies, being "authoritative" didn't matter one iota. When China grew more competitive itself, it suddenly became a problem.

>If you do it for freedom and democracy vs. authoritarianism, that matters.

Who "does it" for "freedom and democracy"? US businesses or state interests? They do it for control, greed, and lining their pockets, lip service to useful (for polemic) notions aside. And they do it in a much worse way (invasions, bombing, blackmailing governments, toppling governments, banana republics, etc) than anything China has done.

To the point that "delivering democracy" has become an international joke.

(Note also how they're also except from war criminal international treaties, environmental treaties, etc: "we judge, we don't allow anyone to judge us").

Re: Android Ported to RISC-V

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I mean, if the chasm China had to cross was 'not have mass manufactured textiles' -> 'having mass manufactured textiles' I don't think anyone would have an issue. And we didn't. Why do you think China rose out of poverty so quickly? Now, China is not only technologically competitive, but an authoritarian regime. Theft of IP no longer represents trying to get to where the rest of the world is, but rather trying to dom…

> I mean, if the chasm China had to cross was 'not have mass manufactured textiles' -> 'having mass manufactured textiles' I don't think anyone would have an issue I guess we're so benevolent as to allow them to also steal the fire and wheel IP. But textiles were part of the 17th-18th century chasm the US had to overcome. China has the equivalent 20-21st century chasms, which are not about textiles but more modern ma…

> Them being authoritate is their problem.

Well, you're obviously not making good faith arguments. An authoritarian regime with 1 billion subjects and the world's largest intelligence network is definitely not just 'their' problem.

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