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Looks like you've missed the sarcasm.
I’m just piling on.
Poe's law striking again.
Facebook shuts down the Socialist Workers Party in Britain
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Re: Facebook shuts down the Socialist Workers Party in Britain
#422Earlier quoted context omitted.
Why would you think they would make a permit list for political pages?
I thought that was obvious ? To avoid their automated process making the mistake of banning them again.
If they were banned for something they said, it was most likely because it breached FBs terms of service.
Re: Facebook shuts down the Socialist Workers Party in Britain
#423Earlier quoted context omitted.
That statement is neither true, wise nor a rebuttal. (1) They have to obey a whole bunch of laws. Including laws on political interference. (2) If there is a corporate exception to foreign interference, foreigners will found corporations to interfere. If founding an LLC lets someone interfere without hinderance then the world would soon be contending with the NSA, LLC and GRU Pty. Ltd. and Guoanbu Inc. (3) Any US bil…
Weird how that statement was 'true' when it was Trump&pals getting kicked of, but now that radical leftists get kicked of, it's not true anymore.
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Re: Facebook shuts down the Socialist Workers Party in Britain
#424We need laws that:
1) Will force social media companies to provide, publicly, reasons for their blockings and takedowns, potentially exposing themselves to libel charges.
2) Allow individuals and organisations whose accounts have been blocked to download all their contents within a period of time after the blocking or removal happened.
3) Enforce standards so that the downloaded contents can be easily uploaded in bulk to alternative platforms.
Re: Facebook shuts down the Socialist Workers Party in Britain
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People went to jail over it. At least until they were pardoned by the president.
For tax fraud and falling into perjury traps. Not for colluding with Russia.
no one "falls into a perjury trap" - what one does is commit perjury - lie under oath, there's no trap there, all you have to do is tell the truth when you should and you don't get indicted .... in the US you even have the option of pleading the 5th
Re: Facebook shuts down the Socialist Workers Party in Britain
#426Earlier quoted context omitted.
Yes but the Trumpist part is nuanced. Armed people storming political organisations after the call of the ousted person who holds the power of the state, while expecting martial law and denying election results with claims convincing no-one but themselves is when people say somebody should take care these people. It's fundamentally different from people exploring or even advocationg for economical models like communi…
"The Communists" in Niemöller's "First they came for the Communists And I did not speak out Because I was not a Communist" [1] were not "the people advocating for economical models", but (in his eyes) violent revolutionists who set the parliament building on fire.[2] [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_they_came_ ... [2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reichstag_fire
Could be but the context here is about caring or not caring for wronging the people who you don't associate with. Putting communists in camp and not caring about them is very different from raiding their HQ when or after planning for a violent attack. I don't think that he was advocating for the right of the communist to convene and plan attacks.
If the government starts collecting QAnon people from the streets and putting them in the camp, then it would be a question about caring or not caring about them since I am not a QAnon. Besides that I would very much like be attacked by QAnon and my choice for government be respected by QAnon and if they do not that, then they are not the people that "the man" came for but they are "the man" who is coming for me and thus I would like them be stopped.
Re: Facebook shuts down the Socialist Workers Party in Britain
#427Earlier quoted context omitted.
You are over-stating the significance of the SWP. Maybe what you say is true of the 80s, but it isn't today. They are not the main party to the left of Labour, the greens are. The greens have 50,000 members and received 850,000 votes in the 2019 election, the SWP has a few thousand members and does not even field candidates. In my experience they have little influence on the Labour grassroots. The SWP's standing amon…
I'm sure you're right. I'm well on the way to being outdated myself.
Yeah it really sounds like it.
Re: Facebook shuts down the Socialist Workers Party in Britain
#428How is this not foreign political interference? The UK media has been preaching to us about dangers of Russian election interference for years at this point, but simultaneously they seem completely unconcerned that a handful of wealthy Americans how the power to censor popular media outlets, entire political movements and political activists at a whim. The SWP is massive. I don't know for sure, but I suspect they had…
The SWP is not massive. It's never been massive. Current paid-up membership is maybe four figures. It's considered eccentric, comically cliched, ineffectual, and frankly irrelevant by virtually everyone on the British left. It's the very definition of fringe. Which is why banning the SWP sets a very bad example. Especially when there are far more dangerous organisations on the British far right which Facebook seems h…
So then it would seem, this is a great "beta test" for FB & Co. That is, pick a fringe meaningless group - but one with enough name recognition - and ban them to grease the skids of societal expectations. The group is small and fringe so few will feel the relevance which makes it a fitting target for FB and its ilk to normalize banning.
Re: Facebook shuts down the Socialist Workers Party in Britain
#429Earlier quoted context omitted.
The SWP is not massive. It's never been massive. Current paid-up membership is maybe four figures. It's considered eccentric, comically cliched, ineffectual, and frankly irrelevant by virtually everyone on the British left. It's the very definition of fringe. Which is why banning the SWP sets a very bad example. Especially when there are far more dangerous organisations on the British far right which Facebook seems h…
So then it would seem, this is a great "beta test" for FB & Co. That is, pick a fringe meaningless group - but one with enough name recognition - and ban them to grease the skids of societal expectations. The group is small and fringe so few will feel the relevance which makes it a fitting target for FB and its ilk to normalize banning.
Or it’s the smallish act that reveals FBs true pro-far right bias.
Re: Facebook shuts down the Socialist Workers Party in Britain
#430Restored now:
>The UK’s Socialist Workers Party was temporarily booted from Facebook, restored hours later with no explanation given for what the left-wing org deemed a “silencing of political activists.” Dozens of related pages remain banned https://www.rt.com/uk/513407-facebook-ban-socialist-party/