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Re: Facebook shuts down the Socialist Workers Party in Britain

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Post by 6gvONxR4sf7o » Sat, Jan 23, 2021, 1:05 AM UTC

jjcon wrote: post #166

konjin wrote: post #125

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>The Holocaust, also known as the Shoah,[c] was the World War II genocide of the European Jews. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Holocaust I don't think you can get more of the zeitgeist than the first sentence of a wiki article.

Dude... if you just kept reading it’s clear they aren’t claiming they were the only ones, but Jews by far were the primary targets. Nobody is denying other shit happened though.

To be fair, the article does make a distinction, saying the other parts weren't part of the holocaust, necessitating a different name for everything else.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Holocaust#Definition

It doesn't deny that other stuff happens, it just defines the holocaust as not including them.

Personally, I never knew the scale of the non-holocaust parts of the holocaust era until reading this today, and I expect it's because of the narrow scope of the term's definition. So I'm sympathetic to konjin's view even though it's just a question of definitions instead of a question of facts.

Re: Facebook shuts down the Socialist Workers Party in Britain

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Post by maedla » Sat, Jan 23, 2021, 1:06 AM UTC

stemlord wrote: post #191

maedla wrote: post #189

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I don't think that is the case!

Okay. Why.

OP is saying the regulations would be at the international level. So, I am going to have to buy a UN license to use the internet? How is that enforced? If not, then it's up to individual countries to make their citizens buy a pass to get online? That doesn't seem enforceable either.

Re: Facebook shuts down the Socialist Workers Party in Britain

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Post by WalterBright » Sat, Jan 23, 2021, 1:08 AM UTC

root_axis wrote: post #153

IndySun wrote: post #70

This shut down story is another tale in the impending international regulation, and maybe breaking up, of what is comically called 'big tech' ('big' does not begin to describe the sizes involved, the naivety is staggering). As newspaper barons before them, the internet has not policed itself adequately enough, according to the governments of the world, and now they will act in unity to take back some control. And the…

The decentralized web is the world wide web, and the decentralized tech you're referring to is just a shrunken facsimile of the real thing. Facebook is just the most popular "node" on the decentralized web, if the masses switched over to some ActivityPub social network history would just repeat itself whenever the most popular node bans someone popular.

What about NNTP? Isn't that a fully decentralized social network?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Network_News_Transfer_Protocol

Note that the D language forums are on NNTP. For those that might dismiss NNTP as obsolete, may I present:

https://forum.dlang.org/

Re: Facebook shuts down the Socialist Workers Party in Britain

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Post by type0 » Sat, Jan 23, 2021, 1:08 AM UTC

stretchcat wrote: post #151

Animats wrote: post #115

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Suppose that you had to have a RealID, or the equivalent for your country, to post on Facebook? Or at least be visible beyond a few close friends. Comments?

Most of the people being toxic on Facebook are using their real names. Requiring them to prove their names are real wouldn't change anything.

There are also a bunch of people using other peoples names, this has real world consequences, as impersonated John Doe might not get a next job because the employer will scan FB and find awful posts written in their name. Hell, pictures of inactivated accounts are regularly snatched to make impersonations better, nothing new here.

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Post by brippalcharrid » Sat, Jan 23, 2021, 1:08 AM UTC

zdragnar wrote: post #214

choward wrote: post #185

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Way to be dismissive. I bet you would have said the same thing to people a decade ago who thought the government was using the Internet to spy on them.

I thought that has been a given for a very long time- at the very least since 9/11.

The idea of pervasive monitoring and dragnet surveillance was very much an implausible tinfoil-hat conspiracy theory in the minds of the general public until the Snowden revelations came out. Everyone knew that we were surveilling terrorists, particularly since 9/11, but they weren't aware that the NSA/GCHQ were doing things like compromising major communications platforms of domestic companies and exfiltrating and storing data indiscriminately in case it became useful in the future.

Re: Facebook shuts down the Socialist Workers Party in Britain

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Post by cronix » Sat, Jan 23, 2021, 1:08 AM UTC

anothernewdude wrote: post #211

christophilus wrote: post #201

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Regulatory capture is likely positive for Facebook

Regulatory capture requires politicians to follow their lobbyists, and not react against everything they say because FB et. al. have become public relations poison.

I think they'll be ok. They paid a lot of protection money this last go-round. https://www.cnbc.com/2020/11/02/tech-billionaire-2020-electi...

Zuckerberg also donated north of $400 million.

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Post by bluSCALE4 » Sat, Jan 23, 2021, 1:10 AM UTC

obviouslynotme wrote: post #194

intricatedetail wrote: post #184

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People tolerate abuse from the "war on drugs", they will tolerate end of privacy. Just a matter of time and correct propaganda.

You are absolutely correct. It bothers me to this day that "I want my weed" is a bigger reason for stepping back on the War on Drugs than "I am tired of police murdering people in no-knock warrants for entire streets with zero repercussions." I don't understand it, and it makes me sad sometimes just thinking about it.

Yeah, I was waiting in line with a black guy and a white guy walks in with a blue line mask. Black guy didn't notice but man, what a way to flip off your fellow man with merely your presence. It's to hard these days to even imagine walking in someone shoes even if the narrative is being announced on a blowhorn.

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Post by PoignardAzur » Sat, Jan 23, 2021, 1:11 AM UTC

hirundo wrote: post #80

It's a positive thing for these ejections to be across the political spectrum, because it makes the demand for distributed moderation come from across the political spectrum. I hope that demand congeals on support for an open blogging protocol, such that people can very easily post once and direct it to multiple platforms or any listener. If this becomes popular enough, and posts aren't owned by a particular platform…

That's optimistic.

What I'm seeing is a lot of "we should regulate things so that facebook isn't allowed to censor things I like but is obligated to censor things I don't like".

If people reacted to censorship in a principled way, we wouldn't be where we are today.

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Post by sudosysgen » Sat, Jan 23, 2021, 1:13 AM UTC

brippalcharrid wrote: post #225

zdragnar wrote: post #214

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I thought that has been a given for a very long time- at the very least since 9/11.

The idea of pervasive monitoring and dragnet surveillance was very much an implausible tinfoil-hat conspiracy theory in the minds of the general public until the Snowden revelations came out. Everyone knew that we were surveilling terrorists, particularly since 9/11, but they weren't aware that the NSA/GCHQ were doing things like compromising major communications platforms of domestic companies and exfiltrating and s…

I had teachers tell me that I was saying paranoid conspiracy theories when I talked about it way back before Snowden :)

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Post by mark_l_watson » Sat, Jan 23, 2021, 1:15 AM UTC

Both the non-corporate funded so called far left and far right pose some business threat to the Internet platforms. In the USA, the democratic DNC and republican RNC get paid off in financial support and will not promote privacy, etc.

The more fringe parties don’t get money and are not controlled. They have a history of regarding privacy as important, both left and right. No matter what your political persuasion is, I would like to ask you as a friend to at least consider how dangerous de-platforming is to society.