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Facebook shuts down the Socialist Workers Party in Britain

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Re: Facebook shuts down the Socialist Workers Party in Britain

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This shut down story is another tale in the impending international regulation, and maybe breaking up, of what is comically called 'big tech' ('big' does not begin to describe the sizes involved, the naivety is staggering). As newspaper barons before them, the internet has not policed itself adequately enough, according to the governments of the world, and now they will act in unity to take back some control. And the…

I don't think that is the case!

Okay. Why.

Re: Facebook shuts down the Socialist Workers Party in Britain

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That is already somewhat the case in China. Meaning, it is not a possible dystopian future... it is the present in some parts of the world.

You can use a VPN in China to gain access to content blocked by the Great Firewall.

Sometimes. A connection from a hotel catering to westerners to a corporate VPN in Europe or North America is probably fine.

Change either variable, to a "normal" hotel/office/home or a public VPN, and the connection can become very unreliable, if it works at all.

Re: Facebook shuts down the Socialist Workers Party in Britain

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post #70

This shut down story is another tale in the impending international regulation, and maybe breaking up, of what is comically called 'big tech' ('big' does not begin to describe the sizes involved, the naivety is staggering). As newspaper barons before them, the internet has not policed itself adequately enough, according to the governments of the world, and now they will act in unity to take back some control. And the…

The decentralized web is the world wide web, and the decentralized tech you're referring to is just a shrunken facsimile of the real thing. Facebook is just the most popular "node" on the decentralized web, if the masses switched over to some ActivityPub social network history would just repeat itself whenever the most popular node bans someone popular.

That's like claiming that digital money can't be fully decentralized. And it indeed wasn't possible until Satoshi figured it out. There's no obvious reason to believe that a fully distributed social network isn't also possible. A requirement would be that any individual would have full agency for all operations on the network. Once you've got one agent that has special power over another agent, it's lost.

Re: Facebook shuts down the Socialist Workers Party in Britain

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>Decentralized systems, and The Dark Web, will grow. >Citizens will require a personal licence to access the internet, and anonymous use will be illegal. Garlic routing provides plausible deniability. ISPs can't know for sure that you are using I2P, for instance, or what you are using it for. Sure, they could force every ISP to ban all encrypted P2P connections. And we could start setting up mesh networks that would…

People tolerate abuse from the "war on drugs", they will tolerate end of privacy. Just a matter of time and correct propaganda.

You are absolutely correct. It bothers me to this day that "I want my weed" is a bigger reason for stepping back on the War on Drugs than "I am tired of police murdering people in no-knock warrants for entire streets with zero repercussions." I don't understand it, and it makes me sad sometimes just thinking about it.

Re: Facebook shuts down the Socialist Workers Party in Britain

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> and anonymous use will be illegal. Super interesting that you mention this. I was just thinking the other day about what an absolute dumpster fire "the internet" is due to anonymity (obviously that's not the _only_ reason, but it's a non-trivial reason). This idea that "Let's give people the ability to be anonymous, and somehow, that's gonna make us all bond together and be better" is pretty hilarious in hindsight.…

> Anonymity seems to just bring the worst out of people (that's not a tech problem, that's a human/culture problem). I used to believe that for a while, up until I started using Facebook. Then I experienced that people under their real names are just the same as the anonymous crowd. All it takes is to view the comments under any news article, or visit a group for regular people dealing with regular things. That's why…

> Why it doesn't happen so much in meatspace?

I agree with everything you've said, but I'd also offer "evolutionary adaptation" as a reason not to be a dick to people who are close enough to physically attack.

Re: Facebook shuts down the Socialist Workers Party in Britain

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> They are demanding to be reinstated immediately. LOL. You were using someone else's website - Zuck's, to be specific. If you demand that he allows you to post on his site, could I make demands to post on your site? I'm actually glad these are finally happening. People need to learn to go back running their own services, under their own domain, owned (bought or leased) hardware, etc. The current "social" media + clo…

> If you demand that he allows you to post on his site, could I make demands to post on your site?

Well put.

Re: Facebook shuts down the Socialist Workers Party in Britain

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>Citizens will require a personal licence to access the internet, and anonymous use will be illegal. I mean you already do. What do you call a signing up to an ISP?

You're just paying for a service that needs to know your address in order to function. Nobody will even check your id. Alternatively, you can use free wifi or a burner SIM with data. That possibility is not the case in every country, nor will it necessarily remain open in the future.

Government issued currency is required to pay them, which requires a job, which requires.

It’s gate keeping all the way down, it’s already here.

Everyone was all “ooo 1984! Scurry! Let’s build a Brave New World to combat it!”

Really though at this point, aside from science what industrial discovery is there?

We’re still just “flock building” like splinter religions.

This syntax or that, still an ARM or x86 chip with known limitations.

Programming to our imaginations delight is great as an art. Industrializing it is just pandering to speculative economics. “Bet you can’t!” “Bet I can!”

Round n round we go; HR and accounting filtering for the right kind of compliance.

Sure fear the government.

I fear humanity. It’s insane and clearly intent on its destruction

Re: Facebook shuts down the Socialist Workers Party in Britain

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That is already somewhat the case in China. Meaning, it is not a possible dystopian future... it is the present in some parts of the world.

You can use a VPN in China to gain access to content blocked by the Great Firewall.

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Re: Facebook shuts down the Socialist Workers Party in Britain

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I assume this is a mistake, although I think they're mad I don't think the SWP are malicious a la some political sects

Facebook is a private platform: they're free to block any content they want, malicious or not.

Excellent, let's reduce everything to "it's a private company, end of story". Such a simple approach, no need to think any further.

I assume I can also beat my children as long as I do it inside my private house?

Re: Facebook shuts down the Socialist Workers Party in Britain

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That's irrelevant, because a private company can't be compelled to support someone else's speech against their will. If you don't like it, then take political action. Edit: For those unaware, this is the devil's advocate take. HN has been remarkably pro-corporate censorship lately, and only a matter of weeks later its coming back to bite pro-censorship advocates.

You're assuming, rather uncharitably, that people in favor of "private entities cannot be compelled to host the speech of others" only support that point of view because it serves other political stances they hold, rather than as a general principle. A site is free to ban all left-wing groups, all right-wing groups, all centrist groups, all groups with an 'e' in their names, all hate groups, or all of the above. Othe…

That argument falls flat when a huge majority of speech goes through the platforms of 2 or 3 companies. "Big" tech doesn't even begin to convey the scale we're talking about here.
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