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Facebook shuts down the Socialist Workers Party in Britain

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Re: Facebook shuts down the Socialist Workers Party in Britain

#41

Honestly, I'd be happy to see all political groups - left or right - expunged from Facebook. Politics and social media clearly do not mix, as this year has demonstrated all too brutally well.

The problem is when people are able to be blocked/filtered out, so then all rational/reasonable voices are lost from the conversations. If these irrational people had to filter through rational/reasoned long-form and short responses, I'd be curious to know what the outcome would be.

Re: Facebook shuts down the Socialist Workers Party in Britain

#42
post #34

Honestly, I'd be happy to see all political groups - left or right - expunged from Facebook. Politics and social media clearly do not mix, as this year has demonstrated all too brutally well.

What a stance. Maybe if you advocated for 'no politics on facebook', it would sound better. Social media has given voice to marginalized groups, and people seemingly fear that voice. It's something to take a look at, rather than sweep it under the rug with bans.

If by “marginalized” we mean “radicals”, then yes. If we mean “minorities”, then you’re probably just propagating the myths that minorities hold far-left-wing views. On the contrary, while minority views skew left-wing, only a minority of minorities hold far-left beliefs and there’s a lot more political diversity among minorities than there is between minority and majority groups. For example, “defund the police” is a popular left-wing mantra, but only a minority of black Americans favor it.

Re: Facebook shuts down the Socialist Workers Party in Britain

#43
post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It’s always some external thing: “the algorithm”, as if that doesn’t just mean “the way we programmed it”. Computing systems are do not act on their own. That the system did this was because it was allowed to, or more accurately, told to.

> It’s always some external thing: “the algorithm”, as if that doesn’t just mean “the way we programmed it”. This is true. > Computing systems are do not act on their own. That doesn't mean that computer systems behave the way that we intend them to behave, or even that we really fully understand our own intent! How much of your own code have you formally verified? ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Formal_verification…

When software goes wrong, the company that decided to create and operate that software for profit is responsible for whatever negative impact that software might have, regardless of whether these problems were foreseen.

(And in the case of automated moderation, the software getting something wrong really should be considered foreseen consequence anyway. Facebook knew, or should have known, that these systems would have false positives.)

Re: Facebook shuts down the Socialist Workers Party in Britain

#44

Honestly, I'd be happy to see all political groups - left or right - expunged from Facebook. Politics and social media clearly do not mix, as this year has demonstrated all too brutally well.

The only way to do that is to expunge Facebook. I'm ok with that but i bet you're not.

Re: Facebook shuts down the Socialist Workers Party in Britain

#45
post #23
post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Please, don't draw a false equivalency between a major political party that does not play host to violent rhetoric, on the one hand, and groups that where plans (very real, actionable, and actioned-on plans!) to subvert the government are incubated, on the other. Put another way--let's not turn sedition into another us-vs-them political game. That's how democracy ends.

The SWP is not by any stretch of the imagination a major political party. ETA: to quantify that a bit, in the 2010 General Election the SWP ran as part of the Trade Unionist and Socialist Coalition. Nationally that coalition received 0.04% of votes cast. I can't find any indication that they even put up any candidates in subsequent elections.

Does this actually affect the correctness of their point?

Acting like a reaction to a politically charged breach of the capitol building is equivalent to a page sharing views about COVID and workers rights getting removed?

It actually feels absurd to type that sentence out...

Re: Facebook shuts down the Socialist Workers Party in Britain

#46
post #9

I assume this is a mistake, although I think they're mad I don't think the SWP are malicious a la some political sects

> I assume this is a mistake...

This isn't their first 'mistake' to shut them down. Unless of course Facebook believes that this group has broken their rules which resulted them on getting shut down.

Regardless, Facebook is a private platform and can shut down whoever they want. Mistake or not.

Re: Facebook shuts down the Socialist Workers Party in Britain

#47

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> It’s always some external thing: “the algorithm”, as if that doesn’t just mean “the way we programmed it”. This is true. > Computing systems are do not act on their own. That doesn't mean that computer systems behave the way that we intend them to behave, or even that we really fully understand our own intent! How much of your own code have you formally verified? ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Formal_verification…

When software goes wrong, the company that decided to create and operate that software for profit is responsible for whatever negative impact that software might have, regardless of whether these problems were foreseen. (And in the case of automated moderation, the software getting something wrong really should be considered foreseen consequence anyway. Facebook knew, or should have known, that these systems would ha…

Yes, "organizations should take responsibility for misclassifications generated by code that they own and operate."

But also, "the computer was told to do the buggy thing" is misleading because it suggests mens rea.

Re: Facebook shuts down the Socialist Workers Party in Britain

#48

Honestly, I'd be happy to see all political groups - left or right - expunged from Facebook. Politics and social media clearly do not mix, as this year has demonstrated all too brutally well.

I deleted my Facebook on January 1st as a New Years resolution and honestly have never felt mentally better.

I just text friends directly and share pictures with people I know would like them.

I spend less time checking my phone which adds up to more time to do other things or just staying more on task in general.

Try it! If you don’t want to delete all social media, start by deleting all your accounts except the one you use the most to _connect with others_ (not to read news or get opinions). It’s 100% worth it

Re: Facebook shuts down the Socialist Workers Party in Britain

#49

Honestly, I'd be happy to see all political groups - left or right - expunged from Facebook. Politics and social media clearly do not mix, as this year has demonstrated all too brutally well.

I've been part of several "general-purpose" internet communities that tried having a "no politics" rule. It never, ever works. You can almost make it work if your community is a) dedicated to a single topic, like Hacker News and b) has sufficient human moderation. So hobby forums and subreddits can maybe get away with it, but Facebook - no way.

Re: Facebook shuts down the Socialist Workers Party in Britain

#50

Honestly, I'd be happy to see all political groups - left or right - expunged from Facebook. Politics and social media clearly do not mix, as this year has demonstrated all too brutally well.

This seems like a political stance that shouldn’t be shared on a social media site like hacker news.

/s

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