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Facebook shuts down the Socialist Workers Party in Britain

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Re: Facebook shuts down the Socialist Workers Party in Britain

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I assume this is a mistake, although I think they're mad I don't think the SWP are malicious a la some political sects

> The SWP Facebook page regularly posts [...] against Boris Johnson’s Covid policies.

I can't find any specifics on the position they hold, but the UK is pretty much in line with the US on mask mandates and lockdowns in hotspots.

Re: Facebook shuts down the Socialist Workers Party in Britain

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Facebook has been around since 2004, that excuse must have been used before.

I'm sure it has. Perhaps a more recent "revolutionary event" in the USA has prompted a change in automated filtering. Just a hunch though.

I would think that any change to automated filtering would allow someone to see which groups would be shut down before actually shutting them down.

Re: Facebook shuts down the Socialist Workers Party in Britain

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This is how the right has been feeling for a while. This is nothing new behaviour-wise for Facebook, the only difference is this gets more favourable media attention.

Please, don't draw a false equivalency between a major political party that does not play host to violent rhetoric, on the one hand, and groups that where plans (very real, actionable, and actioned-on plans!) to subvert the government are incubated, on the other. Put another way--let's not turn sedition into another us-vs-them political game. That's how democracy ends.

The SWP is not by any stretch of the imagination a major political party.

ETA: to quantify that a bit, in the 2010 General Election the SWP ran as part of the Trade Unionist and Socialist Coalition. Nationally that coalition received 0.04% of votes cast. I can't find any indication that they even put up any candidates in subsequent elections.

Re: Facebook shuts down the Socialist Workers Party in Britain

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Well, Facebook is run by the far right, like Peter Thiel so no wonder.

Facebook is absolutely dominated by the far-right, which is why left-wing groups, pages, and users are being censored en-masse. /s

Not yet, but FB's incentive structure is anti-left (they're a corporation natch) and their head of public policy is a hardcore Republican that worked for the GWB administration and energy companies.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joel_Kaplan

Re: Facebook shuts down the Socialist Workers Party in Britain

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post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is how the right has been feeling for a while. This is nothing new behaviour-wise for Facebook, the only difference is this gets more favourable media attention.

Please, don't draw a false equivalency between a major political party that does not play host to violent rhetoric, on the one hand, and groups that where plans (very real, actionable, and actioned-on plans!) to subvert the government are incubated, on the other. Put another way--let's not turn sedition into another us-vs-them political game. That's how democracy ends.

Yep when those rioters broke into the capital building and rummaged through nancy pelosi's office we were very close to that guy in the bearskin becoming our king.

Re: Facebook shuts down the Socialist Workers Party in Britain

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Facebook is a private platform: they're free to block any content they want, malicious or not.

They are also mainly motivated by money, which allows us to make at least educated guesses as to what happened in matters like these

That's irrelevant, because a private company can't be compelled to support someone else's speech against their will. If you don't like it, then take political action.

Edit: For those unaware, this is the devil's advocate take. HN has been remarkably pro-corporate censorship lately, and only a matter of weeks later its coming back to bite pro-censorship advocates.

Re: Facebook shuts down the Socialist Workers Party in Britain

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There was also a historical re-enactment page removed in December because they had militia in their title [1] Looks to just be an over-eager moderation engine. https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-dorset-55215949

It’s always some external thing: “the algorithm”, as if that doesn’t just mean “the way we programmed it”.

Computing systems are do not act on their own. That the system did this was because it was allowed to, or more accurately, told to.

Re: Facebook shuts down the Socialist Workers Party in Britain

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post #12
post #9

I assume this is a mistake, although I think they're mad I don't think the SWP are malicious a la some political sects

Yes, it seems unlikely this is deliberate. The SWP is about as likely to forment a revolution or incite violence as Judi Dench. They're a bunch of harmless eccentrics.

Quite literally. The only vaguely-'revolutionary' thing the SWP have done in the last 10 years is provide protest signs for movements that other, more influencial groups of people started.

Re: Facebook shuts down the Socialist Workers Party in Britain

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post #26
post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They are also mainly motivated by money, which allows us to make at least educated guesses as to what happened in matters like these

That's irrelevant, because a private company can't be compelled to support someone else's speech against their will. If you don't like it, then take political action. Edit: For those unaware, this is the devil's advocate take. HN has been remarkably pro-corporate censorship lately, and only a matter of weeks later its coming back to bite pro-censorship advocates.

Exactly. This was what Facebook wanted, for whatever reasons. Unless they say otherwise.
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