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Dissecting the Apple M1 GPU, Part II

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Re: Dissecting the Apple M1 GPU, Part II

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'd be excited to see arm competition in the desktop space but I don't believe there are any arm chips that compete in performance to high end x86. Arm can do lots of cores which is very good for servers, but single threading performance is still a significant necessity on user end hardware. The M1 is great because it's low power with optimized performance, but on a desktop you can have well over 500W+ and that's nor…

M1 cores outperform Comet Lake cores and are basically tied with AMD Vermeer despite using a fraction of the power.

They are also on a different process shrug

Re: Dissecting the Apple M1 GPU, Part II

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OK I love this, but I am pretty sure my chances of getting a mac in the future are zero. From which side should I expect the PC response? Intel? AMD? Microsoft? ARM? Samsung? I think Apple willingly or not has just obliterated the whole consumer pc market.

The response from Intel seems to be betting on the Evo platform [1], with third parties announcing laptops like the XPG Xenia XE 1 https://www.intel.com/content/www/us/en/products/docs/evo.ht...

So they're announcing a "platform". Smacks of managerial bottom-covering. Almost like forming a committee to investigate the problem.

- where was this 1/2/10 years ago?

- how would this address the fundamental CPU performance gap?

- Intel has no competitive GPU offering, yet another glaring failure on their part

- why would OEMs go along with this when Ryzen is a better CPU, GPU, aside from getting Intel bribes and the usual marketplace branding momentum?

- will this actually get ports migrated to laptops faster? It was criminal how long it took for HDMI 2.0 to hit laptops.

I get Intel doesn't own the stack/vertical integration, but Intel could have devoted 1% of its revenue to a kickass Linux OS to keep Microsoft honest a long time ago and demonstrate its full hardware.

Even if only coders/techies used it like Macbooks are standard issue in the Bay, it would have been good insurance, leverage, or demoware.

Re: Dissecting the Apple M1 GPU, Part II

#33

OK I love this, but I am pretty sure my chances of getting a mac in the future are zero. From which side should I expect the PC response? Intel? AMD? Microsoft? ARM? Samsung? I think Apple willingly or not has just obliterated the whole consumer pc market.

What exactly do you expect? x86 is quite competitive. M1 might be slightly better, but it's not like it's miles ahead.

Re: Dissecting the Apple M1 GPU, Part II

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post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'd be excited to see arm competition in the desktop space but I don't believe there are any arm chips that compete in performance to high end x86. Arm can do lots of cores which is very good for servers, but single threading performance is still a significant necessity on user end hardware. The M1 is great because it's low power with optimized performance, but on a desktop you can have well over 500W+ and that's nor…

M1 cores outperform Comet Lake cores and are basically tied with AMD Vermeer despite using a fraction of the power.

Who cares if you have the darn thing plugged in anyway? Does the M1 outperform the Threadripper 3990x?

Re: Dissecting the Apple M1 GPU, Part II

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This might be a stupid question but if someone wants to start with some basic GPU to get an an understanding of how these things work, what that GPU would be that's wide spread, not that archaic?

Re: Dissecting the Apple M1 GPU, Part II

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OK I love this, but I am pretty sure my chances of getting a mac in the future are zero. From which side should I expect the PC response? Intel? AMD? Microsoft? ARM? Samsung? I think Apple willingly or not has just obliterated the whole consumer pc market.

They have bitten off an even bigger chunk of the meal they had nearly finished already: - Developers - Creatives - Dutiful citizens of The Ecosystem What they are no closer to biting off is gamers and hardware enthusiasts. Anyone who actually needs to open their PC for any purpose whatsoever. I know Apple wants to be the glossy Eve to all the PC market's Wall-E's, but I will continue to shun them forcefully as long a…

> I assume the developer popularity is a result of the iPhone gold rush, which Apple exploited using exclusivity tactics. Therefore I consider it an abomination to see developers embrace the platform so thoroughly.

That's not why most developers I know use macs. We use them because we got tired of spending a couple days a year (on average) unfucking our Windows machine after something goes wrong. When you're a developer, you're often installing, uninstalling and changing things... much more than the average personal or business user. That means there are a lot of opportunities for things to go wrong, and they do. Even most Google employees were using macs until they themselves started making high end Chromebooks; tens of thousands of google employees still use macs. Some users have moved on to linux, but most stay on mac because they want to spend time in the OS and not on the OS. I can appreciate both perspectives, there's no right answer for everyone.

I share your wish that the hardware was more serviceable but everything is a compromise at the end of the day and that's the compromise I'm willing to take in exchange for the other benefits.

Some complain about the price, but the high end macbook pros aren't even more expensive than windows workstation laptops. Our company actually saved several hundred dollars per machine when we switched from ThinkPads with the same specs. Not to mention, our IT support costs were cut almost in half with macs.

So, aside from gaming or some specific edgecase requirements, it's hard for me to justify owning a PC. That said, I have one of those edgecase requirements with one of my clients so I have a ThinkPad just for them. But, it stays in a drawer when I'm not working on that specific thing.

Re: Dissecting the Apple M1 GPU, Part II

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

The response from Intel seems to be betting on the Evo platform [1], with third parties announcing laptops like the XPG Xenia XE 1 https://www.intel.com/content/www/us/en/products/docs/evo.ht...

So they're announcing a "platform". Smacks of managerial bottom-covering. Almost like forming a committee to investigate the problem. - where was this 1/2/10 years ago? - how would this address the fundamental CPU performance gap? - Intel has no competitive GPU offering, yet another glaring failure on their part - why would OEMs go along with this when Ryzen is a better CPU, GPU, aside from getting Intel bribes and t…

"I get Intel doesn't own the stack/vertical integration, but Intel could have devoted 1% of its revenue to a kickass Linux OS to keep Microsoft honest a long time ago and demonstrate its full hardware." Interesting point.. makes one wonder why didn't they do it while having a mountain of cash.

Re: Dissecting the Apple M1 GPU, Part II

#38

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The response from Intel seems to be betting on the Evo platform [1], with third parties announcing laptops like the XPG Xenia XE 1 https://www.intel.com/content/www/us/en/products/docs/evo.ht...

So they're announcing a "platform". Smacks of managerial bottom-covering. Almost like forming a committee to investigate the problem. - where was this 1/2/10 years ago? - how would this address the fundamental CPU performance gap? - Intel has no competitive GPU offering, yet another glaring failure on their part - why would OEMs go along with this when Ryzen is a better CPU, GPU, aside from getting Intel bribes and t…

>- where was this 1/2/10 years ago?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Centrino#Notebook_implementati...

Re: Dissecting the Apple M1 GPU, Part II

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post #35

This might be a stupid question but if someone wants to start with some basic GPU to get an an understanding of how these things work, what that GPU would be that's wide spread, not that archaic?

Anything that supports shaders is fine, but M1 is a mobile-style GPU so it doesn’t behave exactly like a desktop GPU.

Re: Dissecting the Apple M1 GPU, Part II

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

The response from Intel seems to be betting on the Evo platform [1], with third parties announcing laptops like the XPG Xenia XE 1 https://www.intel.com/content/www/us/en/products/docs/evo.ht...

So they're announcing a "platform". Smacks of managerial bottom-covering. Almost like forming a committee to investigate the problem. - where was this 1/2/10 years ago? - how would this address the fundamental CPU performance gap? - Intel has no competitive GPU offering, yet another glaring failure on their part - why would OEMs go along with this when Ryzen is a better CPU, GPU, aside from getting Intel bribes and t…

Yeah, on top of it all, given all of the shots of the reference models look vaguely like a Mac Book, it really feels to me like Intel dug around in their couch cushions to come up with a response.
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