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Constructing an 8-bit relay computer from scratch

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Re: Constructing an 8-bit relay computer from scratch

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Very impressive! At the last Vintage Computer Fest West before covid I saw this on display [1] and was completely taken with the clicky sound and blinkenlights. It does use semiconductors for the memory and IO. I built one last March and April, and found it to be surprisingly enjoyable and relaxing. Highly recommended for those who love clicking and blinking things. [1] http://relaysbc.sourceforge.net/

The author of that board might swing by.

Re: Constructing an 8-bit relay computer from scratch

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Yes, you could. But there are also specialized electronics that work at 450C (or even 500C). NASA Glenn Research Center has developed them. Transistors and such using Silicon Carbide (instead of regular silicon). A simple computer could as easily be made with such transistors and passive elements. It’d be much faster and lighter than a relay computer. The issue with all such computers is developing significant storag…

Ozark Integrated Circuits got a contract from NASA to develop a high temperature RISC-V chip. > Ozark IC will create the first 500-degree Celsius RISC-V multi-chip system in a package as a way to illustrate the techniques, design procedures and the multi-chip package with high-temperature components that go into creating a high-temperature electronic system. press release https://talkbusiness.net/2020/05/nasa-to-give…

Holy crap, that’s awesome!

Re: Constructing an 8-bit relay computer from scratch

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I never got why the relays used in old computers were so large. Typically relays are power devices so they are kind of beefy. But for computers of that era I always thought it would be possible to create boards with much higher relay density. We did have quite advanced manufacturing technology at the time. Maybe it really wasn't as much of a concern and transistors and IC came online before it mattered.

Re: Constructing an 8-bit relay computer from scratch

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If you like relay computes, you might also like this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_j544ELauus 1958 FACOM 128B Japanese Relay Computer Sounds really cool when it's running!

I just got into that channel recently. The youtuber was one of the 4 guys that restored the Apollo guidance computer. The entire process is documented on his channel. It was very humbling to watch these guys debug damn near every transistor and logic gate and eventually run the old lunar landing sequence. The also recovered some lost code that was still stored in the core-rope ram from 50 years ago, as well as built gate accurate emulators for the AGC itself and other peripherals. Definitely worth checking out.

Re: Constructing an 8-bit relay computer from scratch

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50Hz basically means the arc is extinguished after at most 20 milliseconds, limiting how much the contacts heat up. For DC on the other hand there's no guarantee the arc will extinguish at all. You can imagine how a sustained arc would be bad for a relay. Of course a higher frequency would heat the contacts even less, and I imagine you could get a relay rated for even higher voltages given a higher AC frequency.

But arcs only happen when the contacts are almost-but-not-entirely closed, I suppose (ionization could be a factor). This time-period is, I suppose, very short, much shorter than the 10 milliseconds of the AC half-wave. I suspect the arc could cause the contact to stick for a while, which may increase the arc time.

At high enough voltages you get anywhere from second-long to indefinite arcing. Not to mention that the contacts are cost optimized, so the manufacturer would like to get away with as little travel as they can as to simplify the mechanism.
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