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Remembering Windows 3.1 themes and user empowerment

hisham.hm

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Re: Remembering Windows 3.1 themes and user empowerment

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> Remember changing colours on the computer? You can do that in Windows 10. It can also change automatically based on your current wallpaper. Similarly to installing Nova Launcher, perhaps the author need to use GNU/Linux or Windows instead of a Mac.

Not quite. You can set an Accent color and either a light or dark background - that’s it. You can’t specify each component color or named system color - such as separately specifying the colors of the scrollbar’ track and thumb - or icon text - or button shadows - and so on. The old “Desktop Themes” feature for Windows 95 Plus! and Windows 98 let the user radically change the appearance of Windows - for better or for…

I did that search and I didn't know I could get physical pain from pictures.

Re: Remembering Windows 3.1 themes and user empowerment

#53

Unpopular opinion: optimising for "branding" is what killed theming. Everyone wants to have their own custom colour theme, brand-associated font or button style, which clashes with uniformity of system controls. If everyone renders buttons in a custom way, they bypass the native, theming-capable, accessible-by-default system controls. As long as product managers are happy, it doesn't matter that users aren't.

I thought this was obvious.

Re: Remembering Windows 3.1 themes and user empowerment

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post #54

Allowing customization also increases the feature area of your product, thus increasing need for support, dev time, qa time, increased chance of regressions, etc.

The OS handled this, and it was just changing some colors and font settings. It's not like today where there's a whole Turing machine handling your needlessly complicated custom interface rendering.

I'll say it again: people did this in the 90s, with orders of magnitude less computing power, significantly more constrained development tools, and fewer developers. That we think this is something we can't do today is evidence of a deep sickness in our industry.

Re: Remembering Windows 3.1 themes and user empowerment

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More configuration options come with an increased risk of inadvertently pointing one of the gun's barrels at ones own foot without noticing and then pulling the trigger. To stay with the theming example: it's nice and dandy have control over theme colors. But what happems when you set button background, window background and text color to white by accident? How do you recover from that? Back in the 90s you'd have bee…

In Win3 era you will see a representation of what your new color theme will look like.

Also, you can do something similar to what happens when you change screen resolution.

A window pops up with a countdown for let's say 60 seconds (or more), and if you don't press ACCEPT before it reaches 0, it undoes the changes.

Re: Remembering Windows 3.1 themes and user empowerment

#57

> Remember changing colours on the computer? You can do that in Windows 10. It can also change automatically based on your current wallpaper. Similarly to installing Nova Launcher, perhaps the author need to use GNU/Linux or Windows instead of a Mac.

Most of the options are pretty terrible, often unreadable depending on the color settings/abilities of the LCD panel. When I started using Windows 10 full time this was my biggest gripe - you can change the accent color, but Windows picks what it thinks will be the best text color.

I really, really miss the Windows 95 color picker. Sure, you could put grey text on a grey background, but you could also not do that. Microsoft has taken away the option one way or another.

Re: Remembering Windows 3.1 themes and user empowerment

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> Remember changing colours on the computer? You can do that in Windows 10. It can also change automatically based on your current wallpaper. Similarly to installing Nova Launcher, perhaps the author need to use GNU/Linux or Windows instead of a Mac.

No. you cannot change colors in windows 10. You can only change 1 color which only Microsoft know on what exactly is used.

Not even 1. You can't select by RGB value something too light (or too dark) for the accent color if Windows think it would be illegible. It's even worse if you have enabled transparency.

I wish there was an override, because if I want pure white #FFFFFF as my accent color, that's my problem. I don't want to settle on a light grey.

Re: Remembering Windows 3.1 themes and user empowerment

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> In the old days of Windows 3.1, it was common to walk into an office and see each person’s desktop colors, fonts and wallpapers tuned to their personalities, just like their physical desk, with one’s family portrait or plants.

Author (and many commenters here) take as a given that this is a good thing, but I'm not so sure.

Starting with the physical desk metaphor - you probably have trinkets and photos and whatnot, and then a mess. An idiosyncratic mess, but still a mess. I'm defining "mess" here from the perspective of everyone who isn't you; which you could argue doesn't matter in the physical desk metaphor. Thinking back over the ~10 offices I've worked in, maybe 20% of people keep their desk tidy in a way that I could find a pen or a stack of post-its at first glance. Maybe it doesn't matter if someone else can be productive at your desk; but it can't be denied that the average human will (literally) leave food to rot on their desk.

Let's move to the virtual desktop. We've been saying we love our Windows 3 customizations, and randomize our wallpapers and Winamp skins every few minutes, right? Back when we were playing all those video games? But now we're adults with jobs (maybe even coworkers) and productivity actually matters, right? But we still wish for the power to make our desktops messy. Why? Maybe it doesn't matter if someone else can be productive at your computer, but it can't be denied that millions of hours have already gone into making you productive there.

Upon reflection, is this a freedom that you actually need; one that helps you in any way? What purpose was served by that flat, warm, old can of soda on your desk? Do you like all that paper everywhere? Do you even know what most of it is?

Unless your job function is some type of artist, you're almost certainly better off using the consensus interface; and if it has problems, contributing the fixes for those problems back to everyone. And clean up that takeout container that's slipped halfway onto your neighbor's desk.

Edit: I'm all for customizing the way that things work. Rebind your hotkeys, script stuff, write your own text editor- if it saves you time and you can prove it, go for it; but when it comes to colors, transparency, animations, all that stuff... just get your work done and then go outside or watch TV.

Re: Remembering Windows 3.1 themes and user empowerment

#60

You renner the times where in a browser one picked colors and font for background, text and links and many sites followed those choices? Now one has to spent time to tweak the Userstyle By finding the right CSS classes and things to change ...

Still has settings in firefox. Right on the first page of options too.
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