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Re: New Intel CEO rehiring retired CPU architects

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Post by literallycancer »

NotPavlovsDog wrote: post #425
headmelted wrote: post #416

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Good grief do I ever work in the wrong part of the world. I’m well established in my career (and I don’t have SV costs of living to be fair) - but anywhere even in the galaxy of $200 an hour would be life-changing for me.

I remember meeting a taxi cab driver in the US that told me about his experience coming on a tourist visa, getting married to stay and working towards starting to work as an engineer. There are ways to move anywhere you want, and ways to get remote work at us companies, especially now, if you don't want to move. They are not easy, but they exist.

You don't have to move to the US to make 200. That's easily available for remote people. For the big bucks, moving maybe helps but it's unlikely you make it from driving Uber to 1k/hr unless you run your own business.

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Post by m_mueller »

johncena33 wrote: post #192
ignoramous wrote: post #98

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If it helps, all those MBA-bashing cool tech startups busy giving away a percentage of their revenue to Amazon, don't realise that AWS was the brain-child of a Harvard MBA.

Yes, the "idea man" deserves all the credit and everyone else is just a drone there to execute their vision. Sounds like classic MBA culture to me.

I think this is hyperbole. Noone said he deserves all the credit - just that this guy's thinking was the missing ingredient that catapulted Amazon's IT department to be at the forefront of a new industry. There were many big IT departments like that around, but theirs was the first to productize at such a level.

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Post by coopierez »

perryizgr8 wrote: post #384
stephencanon wrote: post #104

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$45/hr is about what I was paid as a grad-student intern at Apple ... 15 years ago.

Tell me if I'm calculating this incorrectly. $45 * 8 (hours a day) * 22 (days a month) * 12 (months) = $95k You were getting paid the equivalent of $95k/year as an intern??

Silicon Valley salaries are something else. ARM in Cambridge paid their interns something like £20-22K around 5 years ago. No wonder almost none of them stayed on as graduates.

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Post by VincentEvans »

ryanmercer wrote: post #432
headmelted wrote: post #416

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Good grief do I ever work in the wrong part of the world. I’m well established in my career (and I don’t have SV costs of living to be fair) - but anywhere even in the galaxy of $200 an hour would be life-changing for me.

Shoot, the $45 an hour mentioned up this chain would be life changing for me (yes, I live in the U.S.), after 15 years at my job I make 17.26 an hour. It's why this talk of $15 minimum wage mildly terrifies me, I know people need it but man, it suddenly thrusts me nearly to minimum wage (minimum wage is currently 7.25 here).

It “suddenly thrusts” you absolutely nowhere. You still earn exactly as much as you do now, but it is interesting to observe the psychological effect of being surrounded by people who are more miserable than oneself.

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Post by nottorp »

ryandrake wrote: post #85
langitbiru wrote: post #25

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Reading all comments grilling MBAs in HN is one of my guilty pleasures. I think I need to collect them all and put them in one place.

Unashamed MBA checking in here! MBAs are the classic punching bags for HN. It seems we’re willing to bend the “civility” rules a bit here in order to have a nice hearty MBA-bash. I’ve seen all sorts of awful generalizations posted here about MBAs that would get you flagkilled if made about other professions or degrees. Some of us actually have tech/coding backgrounds and aren’t the stereotypical pointy-headed-bosses,…

Tell me then, is there a MBA that doesn't assume all employees are interchangeable, and results are proportional to the amount of time spent on working?

That's the usual MBA mistake when dealing with IT. Most of what you've been taught applies to ditch diggers or bottling Coca Cola.

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Post by lmilcin »

NotPavlovsDog wrote: post #430
darth_avocado wrote: post #151

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I am 100% in the same boat. Had a recruiter reach out to me who wanted me to leave my more than comfortable six figure SV job to do cutting edge contract work in machine learning as a lead engineer for about $50/hour. I was so amused I actually spent the time listening to their pitch and eventually told them that anything less than $200/hour wouldn't even cover my current pay + benefits. Let me know if you can do bet…

It's one of the (dirty?) pleasures in the work-life, isn't it? I still treasure getting to the stage in my life when I could afford to stop saying what my salary expectation was outside of "fair in relation to the market and my experience". Recruiter H/R: "We need to hear your salary requirements to move forward with this position". me: "I would like to hear your offer". Recruiter / HR: "We won't be able to consider…

Or, better yet, instead of sinking that negotiation 100% of the time after your last sentence, you could give obviously large sum and tell them you are open to negotiation once you had your chance to present yourself and the company present themselves.

Not only this shows a little more negotiation savvy, but once in a blue moon this could give you an offer you have not expected. For example, they could just say "OK".

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Post by mensetmanusman »

oceanghost wrote: post #92
mediaman wrote: post #80

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It's weird for me to hear all these stories about MBAs. While I'm not an MBA myself, I was in investment banking and planned to get an MBA before I left finance and did something else instead. I regularly pay engineers more than I pay myself as a CEO (granted: I am not really interested in draining the company's coffers for my own benefit, since I have equity). It just seems obvious that, at the end of the day, so mu…

I can assure you you're an outlier (but delightfully so). I worked once for a company where I was doing a product for the iPad. I literally, could not get the company to buy the newest iPad for us to test on. The only iPad we had for development had a bad sensor and would throw errors constantly. One day, marketing brings me 12 new iPads because-- they want me to install a beta of the app on them, because they're goi…

Incredible!

I have the flip side story:

We had spent almost 6 figures on factory experiments and needed to get some customer feedback from Europe at the behest of marketing.

Being mischievous and predicting the response, I actually asked marketing if they could purchase our engineering team a pelican case to protect the marketing samples ($300 cost).

They said it wasn’t in their budget to support, so we used bubble wrap.

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Post by Infinitesimus »

astrange wrote: post #337
cbozeman wrote: post #200

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> You don’t need top engineers for that. Top-tier companies have to pay top-tier compensation.

Unethical companies have to pay top-tier compensation. You don't have to pay Google/FB bucks if you don't have sex scandals and employee retaliations in the news every day, or if the students you're recruiting don't think you're brainwashing their grandparents.

That's a very weak idea and unhelpful. Many companies pay excellently and aren't even connected to advertising.

If you are/become a leader, this mentality can seriously hurt your org. Pay for the talent you want to attract and keep. Pay generously for performance.

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Post by mensetmanusman »

sokoloff wrote: post #45
alisonkisk wrote: post #27

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Steve Jobs, already legendary for avoiding paying engineers for their contributions, organized an industry-wide cartel to hold down wages, and he never had an MBA. It's a bad leadership thing, not an MBA thing.

It's not bad leadership to hold down the costs of your key inputs. It's bad leadership to do that if doing so undermines the position of your company in the market. The handful of Apple engineers I know are incredibly happy and devoted to their work at Apple and being paid 50% more to work for Google would feel like a step backward to them. That, in combination with their business results is, to me, evidence of excel…

It’s bad leadership to organize a cartel to improve your pay.

It’s bad, because good leaders are supposed to take sacrifices for those they are protecting. Our system doesn’t necessarily promote good leaders though.

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Post by xyzelement »

NotPavlovsDog wrote: post #430
darth_avocado wrote: post #151

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I am 100% in the same boat. Had a recruiter reach out to me who wanted me to leave my more than comfortable six figure SV job to do cutting edge contract work in machine learning as a lead engineer for about $50/hour. I was so amused I actually spent the time listening to their pitch and eventually told them that anything less than $200/hour wouldn't even cover my current pay + benefits. Let me know if you can do bet…

It's one of the (dirty?) pleasures in the work-life, isn't it? I still treasure getting to the stage in my life when I could afford to stop saying what my salary expectation was outside of "fair in relation to the market and my experience". Recruiter H/R: "We need to hear your salary requirements to move forward with this position". me: "I would like to hear your offer". Recruiter / HR: "We won't be able to consider…

Who do you think you are screwing by cutting off your opportunities at the root? :)

As the other reply pointed out, you are cutting yourself (a) out of the conversation (b) out of finding out what your actual range is.

Here's a dirty secret for you - very often the recruiters don't share the range because the range is broad, they may fill the role with a mid-level or a super-senior at 2x the comp. If they tell you the range, it's likely a more cookie cutter mid-level role and you don't even get to learn where you could land (or what your level doesn't hit and maybe you want to work toward)

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