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Re: New Intel CEO rehiring retired CPU architects

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Post by avs733 » Fri, Jan 22, 2021, 2:10 AM UTC

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The things I say when I open my mouth... Graduated with my MS and three internships with Intel into what I thought would be my 'rest of life' job. I wanted Brian's job, which at that point was the head of the fabs. Got less than one month of training and then told 'all yours now'. Worked my ass off for like 18 months, made a name for myself in the factory, was literally on call 24x7 by myself for 11 months. Got an an…

Well this turned a little darker than I originally thought. I discovered a kid out in Utah on YouTube named Joshua Fluke and his story is very similar to yours, and he often says much of what you say in terms of quality of life, the corporate attitude of most companies, etc. I've only ever worked for someone else twice in my life (I considered military service to be just that - serving the nation, not so much "workin…

I appreciate that and where you are coming from. I wouldn't say it was there fault...I'd actually say it was mine and it was societal. I'm a first gen college grad, but from a very successful household. I was raised on hard work, use your brain, don't give up, always do more. I brought that mindset to work, and no one was going to really stop me. I had to push back, and I had never been taught how. I worked a full time job and a part time job while an engineering student and graduated with a 3.8. Then, it impressed people and it made me proud of myself...now I wonder what I missed out on and take a very different approach to work life balance (although I'm still a bit of a workaholic, because I really do love what I do).

Re: New Intel CEO rehiring retired CPU architects

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Post by ognarb » Fri, Jan 22, 2021, 2:11 AM UTC

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Here in Boulder $100/hr is the cheapest you can find for a freelance developer worth their salt.

As open-source developer, I make $0/hr :/

And I was considering myself unlucky with $1/week I make.

Re: New Intel CEO rehiring retired CPU architects

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Post by cccc4all » Fri, Jan 22, 2021, 2:12 AM UTC

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People agree, talented people do not.

A lot of people do not understand their worth and let get hired/exploited for peanuts. When I was hired for my absolute first job, over two decades ago, I was asked how much I want. I did not know how much I can ask so I asked some minimum that I thought would pay for my expenses. The guy who interviewed me, who was to be my manager, said he shouldn't be telling this but I can ask twice as much.

He probably told you that because that was the minimum salary range for that position.

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Post by BeetleB » Fri, Jan 22, 2021, 2:13 AM UTC

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I've been approached by headhunters for contract work at Intel. They want all kinds of machine learning knowledge & experience and the pay is.... $45/hr. I kid you not. I just sort of laugh and tell them that that's about 1/3 of market rate for that kind of thing.

Sometimes recruiters get things wrong, mix things up. That might have been for a different position that got redefined without commensurate pay adjustment. That said, 45 is really low for any position in an engineering company, unless it’s ancillary support services that get farmed out. Something like ‘Lab Admin’ type of thing.

I don't think they got it wrong. A recruiter contacted me for a contractor position in Amazon. It involved Perl coding (I'm guessing some legacy SW they have). They said the max they can pay is $50/hr.

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Post by cccc4all » Fri, Jan 22, 2021, 2:16 AM UTC

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People agree, talented people do not.

Underpaid people aren’t talented? That’s harsh.

People get paid what they ask for. No one is underpaid or overpaid.

Simply ask for more in salary and benefits. When they ask why, state all the reasons why the increase is warranted. If they deny the request, look for another job that pays the higher amount.

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Post by BeetleB » Fri, Jan 22, 2021, 2:19 AM UTC

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> Intel engineers are paid supposedly similar rates at similar levels and similar locations. Again with this location based compensation trend. Maybe it works for flipping burgers but it seriously break down when you are a global player hiring from a pool of global talent. You can play CoL games and count beans as much as you want, but the engineering talent Intel is after are also pursued by companies like Apple tha…

I've been told by CPU engineers at Apple that they're not paid very well, especially compared to software, but that competitors just pay slightly less.

I have a friend at Intel who was offered a job at Apple. He's a manufacturing guy (not circuits/CPU, but still HW). He lives in Portland. They wanted him to move to Cupertino, and offered him 15% more than what he currently makes. Taking COL into account that's a demotion.

So I can believe Apple doesn't pay non-SW folks that much.

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Post by BeetleB » Fri, Jan 22, 2021, 2:24 AM UTC

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Intel in Oregon is probably like an hour from downtown Portland, and there are a ton of apartment complexes about halfway between the two (and there's nice public transit to Portland, so you don't have to deal with the drivers). Nike also has a big building nearby. Also, I imagine Intel would gain very little from being located in, for example, the Bay Area or NYC. It isn't like they are some little startup that need…

Intel employs 5,900 people in Santa Clara county and that is their corporate headquarters so obviously they think they gain something from a large Bay Area footprint. The idea that Bay Area hiring is primarily "little startups that need to go out to bars" is also very odd.

Intel's footprint in Santa Clara is comparatively small. They have 21K in the Portland metro area, and 12K in the Phoenix region. They have about 15K in California, split between Folsom and Santa Clara.

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Post by cbozeman » Fri, Jan 22, 2021, 2:25 AM UTC

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I think this is still an oversimplification of what's actually going on. Its not so much that the skills themselves are in demand, its the enormous experience that someone who can command that kind of fee has. The skill set you're talking about can be learned probably in a year or two of 8-5, M-F self-guided learning from Udemy / Coursera / YouTube, but its the experience of using those skills to build something of v…

I think the part that you’re missing is that understanding programming language syntax and some algos/datastructures is just a tiny piece of what makes software engineering. Having those skills + the ability to convert them into useful software is what is rare/difficult.

Yeah, that's part of it that I was having trouble putting into words.

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Post by reilly3000 » Fri, Jan 22, 2021, 2:34 AM UTC

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What if I told you that, more often than not, you could do your current work and get much more money? People, especially tech people, are quite awful at extracting their full value.

Fully agree. For some reason people assume that you get paid more in order to deal with less interesting work or a worse work environment. This is completely false. You get paid more when the company values you more. The company values you more, when they make more from what you are able to contribute, on average. Highly paid engineering work environments are strongly correlated with interesting work and with good wo…

Thanks wikibob, somebody I know really needed to hear that.

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Post by giantg2 » Fri, Jan 22, 2021, 2:35 AM UTC

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The problem I have with that is - where is the team? It probably not a single person writing that app. It's likely a whole team of people. In non-tech companies, IT is seen as a cost. Half the time your contribution is just saving the company from hiring x number of people to do the work manually.

You can start by taking value provided and dividing by number of people involved. I can almost promise the number you get is higher than people’s existing salary. Even after accounting for overhead.

That's logical for any profitable company. The question is whether or not the amount is reasonable.