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Why cats are crazy for catnip

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Re: Why cats are crazy for catnip

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Maybe this is a weird question, but why do people give drugs to their cats? Is it to see them have fun? Is it so the owners have fun? Is it good for them? I never quite understood why catnip was so socially acceptable when we view other drugs with such different eyes.

If you keep drugging your cats, they'll never be able to hold down a job.

Re: Why cats are crazy for catnip

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How were they able to patent this? I've known for 20 years that catnip works as a mosquito repellent; there was a 2001 paper that showed that its essential oil, nepetalactone, was 10 times more effective than DEET[1]. Soon after this a variety of "natural mosquito repellent" products based on catnip appeared on the market. I've made homemade repellent myself by soaking catnip in alcohol and it works great, although i…

Here's the patent. The claims are a little more specific than I think you're imagining - that's typical for making something like this patentable. https://patents.google.com/patent/US7524888B2

Still extremely broad.

>sesquiterpenoid mixture, wherein the sesquiterpenoid mixture is an elmol/hedycaryol mixture having a purity of 55% or more (..plus any possible carrier)

Re: Why cats are crazy for catnip

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post #103

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That's a little surprising, since Bol et al 2017 ( https://bmcvetres.biomedcentral.com/articles/10.1186/s12917-... ), testing catnip/Valerian/silvervine/honeysuckle on ~100 cats, found that the response to each is correlated. (I get a tetrachoric correlation of 0.6 for catnip/valerian in my analysis: https://www.gwern.net/Catnip#optimal-catnip-alternative-sele... ) I think you probably just got unlucky there.

Possibly, but I do wonder if there's a difference between American and European cats as far as the drug response goes.

Oh, there definitely is a difference in probability of being a catnip responder: https://www.gwern.net/images/catnip/catnip-googlesurveys-cou... European countries appear less likely. However, that seems explainable simply by higher or lower genetic level of catnip response propensity. They are less likely to respond, but I would expect the correlation matrix to be the same. There's no particular reason to expect the fundamental biology to be different and thus that a cat in Europe is responding to catnip using a different biological pathway and so whatever overlap there is with the valerian response may be completely different and the correlation within-cat different.

Re: Why cats are crazy for catnip

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I've considered growing actinidia kolomikta , a species of kiwi berry vine, which is noted on wikipedia as being highly attractive to cats. The article mentions Actinidia polygama so I wonder if it's just the entire genus

Not my experience growing arctic kiwi. Cats don't ever seem to stop to take a look but I could be wrong. I will watch more carefully.

Re: Why cats are crazy for catnip

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So an insect repellent that cats, big or small are going to be attracted to? I mean, I don't think I'd want to put that insect repellent in the savannah, north america or a place that has lots of feral cats.

The idea of a super friendly lion passing out in my arms while purring like a motorboat sounds really tempting...

Re: Why cats are crazy for catnip

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

> People smoke weed all the time > and it decreases violence https://i.imgur.com/61JXtJ7.png

I mean, have you ever heard of someone high on THC acting belligerent? I sure haven't. Alcohol, meth, cocaine, bath salts, everything else, absolutely. Ask a cop how often he gets called for a DV issue because someone is drunk. But weed? Nah. People on weed just want to eat pretzels and watch cartoons.

> I mean, have you ever heard of someone high on THC acting belligerent? I sure haven't

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Argument_from_ignorance

Re: Why cats are crazy for catnip

#117

Maybe this is a weird question, but why do people give drugs to their cats? Is it to see them have fun? Is it so the owners have fun? Is it good for them? I never quite understood why catnip was so socially acceptable when we view other drugs with such different eyes.

Yes, it is to see them have fun. The cats definitely appear to enjoy it. My cat has learned to recognize the sound of me opening the tub of catnip and will come running across the house to get some. Good for them? Maybe. It's certainly not bad for them. This has been very much studied. Cats can't overdose on catnip. At worst, after 5-15 minutes of sniffing and rolling around in it, they stop responding to it. > when…

> Tobacco causes cancer

To be fair, tobacco isn’t the drug, it’s nicotine, and nicotine does not cause cancer. (But I’m sure you knew that.)

Re: Why cats are crazy for catnip

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Speaking to an Australian friend, I learned that 25% of cats don't respond to catnip at all - or cat mint, as they call it. Apparently the branch of the cat family in Australia are ones that don't have the catnip genes, so she had never witnessed a cat acting crazy in the characteristic cat way. My previous cats did two different things - one would instantly flop down and roll in the catnip, then lazily lick it off h…

I've compiled all of the reported catnip studies and run some large-scale surveys of my own: https://www.gwern.net/Catnip https://www.gwern.net/Catnip-survey Globally, catnip immunity rates are closer to a third, but Australia is at the extreme with about half cats not responding. Villani 2011 https://www.gwern.net/docs/catnip/2011-villani.pdf establishes that catnip response is highly heritable but polygenic ( not M…

This is quite amazing. The longer I read, the more impressed I am that you went through all the trouble. Considering the time and money spent on surveys, et al., was this ever published as a study?

p.s. This is the ultimate thread-killer. Had this been posted at the very top of the thread, most of the comments and speculations posted would be irrelevant. Can @dang please pin this to the top? ;)

Re: Why cats are crazy for catnip

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My cats get high after eating tiny bits of green olives. They roll, are crazy for more, will literally lick my clothes if I spilled a drop of the pickle, and one of the gets a bit playfully aggressive. Just the smell of olives attracts them like crazy. Have also tried catnip, but no observable effect. I don't overdo it, I don't have olives very often in the fridge, and even then they maybe get a tiny piece once a wee…

I'm curious: what was the situtation when they first ate olives?

I never gave them olives by conscious decision; it never occurred to me that they'd like i t. I think I spilled some brine (few drops only) on the kitchen desk, the cat appeared to be there at the same time, sniffed at it, licked it and got crazy for more.

Re: Why cats are crazy for catnip

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post #38

My cats get high after eating tiny bits of green olives. They roll, are crazy for more, will literally lick my clothes if I spilled a drop of the pickle, and one of the gets a bit playfully aggressive. Just the smell of olives attracts them like crazy. Have also tried catnip, but no observable effect. I don't overdo it, I don't have olives very often in the fridge, and even then they maybe get a tiny piece once a wee…

Cats are known to like fatty and salty foods, and not have a "sweet tooth". Olives are oily, and preserved in salt

This is beyond liking. The effect is similar to that of catnip when I watch videos of cats high on catnip. They start rolling, rubbing against surfaces, they beg for more, etc. And shortly after (10-ish minutes) the effect wanes off.
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