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Judge refuses to reinstate Parler after Amazon shut it down

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Re: Judge refuses to reinstate Parler after Amazon shut it down

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Post by Consultant32452 »

DonHopkins wrote: post #332
Consultant32452 wrote: post #140

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think a big part of this is accepting Amazon's claims as fact, which I would not. For example, Amazon claims Parler was not moderating when in fact Parler had some pretty strict moderation enforcement. One could make an argument of whether or not it was successful "enough" and you'd have to compare it to other industry leaders like Facebook and Twitter which both have copious amounts of child pornography, calls for…

Parler had some pretty strict moderation enforcement against progressive views, just not against racism, death threats, and successfully planning violent insurrections against the government. https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2021/01/filing-amazon-wa... Filing: Amazon warned Parler for months about “more than 100” violent threats [...] Amazon provided "more than 100 additional representative pieces of content" advo…

I addressed those claims in my last paragraph.

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Post by joshuamorton »

fallingknife wrote: post #301
joshuamorton wrote: post #281

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What type of content?

The same type of right wing nonsense they are going after now. This type of stuff was all over Reddit/FB/Twitter back then. (Remember all the nutty Obama conspiracy theories?) Surely advertisers back then didn't want to appear next to that content anymore than they want to now.

It's been a while, but I can't say I recall calls to violence, much less ones that were acted on, back then. Of course, I wasn't paying as much attention. Birtherism (which was trump led for a while) was lighter weight than q and the more recent stuff.

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tptacek wrote: post #2

Here's the denial of the TRO: https://drive.google.com/file/d/1qhXD-4Kaw5dCEBv0dUM8buygEKg... Parler hasn't lost the case, just a TRO that demands reinstatement on AWS, but the ruling on the TRO requires the judge to tip their hand about the case, and Parler is going to lose. I don't think you even need to read the AWS AUP to know that Parler has no real case here. To buy Parler's contract claim, you'd have to believ…

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Post by xxpor »

fjabre wrote: post #293
gowld wrote: post #285

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> Each state gets numbers by its population. This is false, and the core of the criticism of the EC. Each state gets 2 votes independent of its population, which is biased toward small population states, and for over a century the definition of states was constrained by a compromise to protect slavery .

California has more electors than Vermont.

623,989/3 = 207996.333333

39,510,000/55 = 718363.636364

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Post by dukeofdoom »

tptacek wrote: post #2

Here's the denial of the TRO: https://drive.google.com/file/d/1qhXD-4Kaw5dCEBv0dUM8buygEKg... Parler hasn't lost the case, just a TRO that demands reinstatement on AWS, but the ruling on the TRO requires the judge to tip their hand about the case, and Parler is going to lose. I don't think you even need to read the AWS AUP to know that Parler has no real case here. To buy Parler's contract claim, you'd have to believ…

Amazon did not give Parler time to remedy the issue, which was in the contract. And is now trying to blur the line between a suspension and termination.

Robert Barnes, on the Parler lawsuit https://youtu.be/pAFZw7fGY4A

Viva Frey, a lawyer did a breakdown on the lawsuit. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HFp5E7akgy8

Robert Barnes, On section 230, and the tech lawsuits https://youtu.be/rD-Zb0nTJw0

Their take on it is that the tech companies have gone too far, and are too arrogant. And now the political climate has shifted. So they will start losing some of these section 230 related cases.

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Post by isaacremuant »

GavinMcG wrote: post #80
richardARPANET wrote: post #53

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Dropped by Amazon, in coordination with both App Stores just as it reached #1 ranked app. Really really interesting.

Not everything is a grand conspiracy. Sometimes society really isn't okay with what you're doing.

If society wasn't ok they wouldn't be the most downloaded app.

This is like saying that society wasn't ok with Trump when almost half voted for him.

Trying to rewrite history because there's a Ideological and political control of tech companies doesn't mean you're right.

The same goes for law. Just because something is legal or you don't win a case, it doesn't mean it's right or fair.

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Post by cush »

throwaway45349 wrote: post #5

As much as I don't like Parler's digital death sentence from Silicon Valley, they should've known this was coming and prepared. It doesn't take a genius to know that such a controversial website is going to get dropped, even if it's just because it makes the webhost look bad. Yes it's unfair that Twitter gets away with hosting way worse content, but life is unfair, that doesn't mean you stick your head in the sand an…

It's more of a philosophical conversation, but any social media app is really just an extension of its users. If you only have horrible users posting horrible content, then you have a horrible app. It's easy for us, knowing the tech, to argue the opposite, but in practice, there's no separating the two.

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Post by cush »

unethical_ban wrote: post #3

I've been trying to come to grips with the societal impact of echo chambers, "hate" speech, and the obligations vs. rights of sites and hosting providers. So far, my take is that websites have less obligation than hosting. It concerns me that AWS booted a site off their platform for speech issues - I am leaning more and more to the idea that colos, IaaS and ISPs should be considered common carriers, and that only a c…

Have you seen The Social Dilemma? Shit's terrifying.
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