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Judge refuses to reinstate Parler after Amazon shut it down

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Re: Judge refuses to reinstate Parler after Amazon shut it down

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Post by tptacek »

kortilla wrote: post #357
tptacek wrote: post #266

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Moreover, as I'm fond of pointing out: Amazon bounces people off AWS all the time , just like every hosting provider; abuse is a basic fact of life in hosting. Amazon will have no trouble establishing that what it did with Parler is routine, and that nobody could reasonably have an expectation that the AUP was merely performative.

For technology abuse (e.g. spamming, botnets, etc), legal reasons (cp, pii dumps, etc), or for not liking the content being hosted? What happened to Parler is not routine when you exclude all of the cases of blatant abuse of the service.

Yes it is. It's right there in the AWS AUP. "Content that is defamatory, obscene, abusive, invasive of privacy, or otherwise objectionable". Other providers have even stricter AUPs, for instance against otherwise-lawful pornographic content.

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Post by repeatafterme1 »

ojnabieoot wrote: post #69
mensetmanusman wrote: post #14

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Apparently mostly facebook was used, not parler.

Wait till you hear what us leftists want to do with Facebook! I will say that my preferred solution to the problem of Facebook (nationalization and open criminal investigations into its leadership) actually raises serious constitutional issues. The Parler case really really doesn’t - it doesn’t even raise good philosophical issues about free speech, just a bunch of dumb arguments.

I would like to hear.

Re: Judge refuses to reinstate Parler after Amazon shut it down

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Post by aokiji »

DonHopkins wrote: post #319
kyrra wrote: post #192

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100% agree, he has a reason to paint a certain narrative. (I added my edit before you replied I think). Either way, without knowing the full picture from both sides (like a court case going through discovering to fully put out the communciations between Amazon and Parler), we don't know the answer. We see that Amazon canceled Parler with little external communication. And we see what Parler is saying. Amazon could sh…

Since he cultivates and tolerates a customer base of Trump supporters, Q-Anon followers, virulent racists, gun nuts, virginal misogynists, frustrated incels, white supremacists, violent seditionists, death threateners, and Twitter rejects, then what reason do you have to believe that he doesn't lie as freely and easily and file as frivolous lawsuits as Trump himself does? What has he ever done to earn so much benefit…

How much do you get paid to spin things on Hacker News?

Re: Judge refuses to reinstate Parler after Amazon shut it down

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Post by vkou »

duskwuff wrote: post #225
michaelmior wrote: post #105

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I know effectively zero about Parler's infrastructure, but I would say it's not that uncommon to build a product tied specifically to AWS. What really surprised me though is that it took them days to get even a static homepage up.

My understanding is that Parler actively avoided making technical decisions which would tie them to AWS. Their problems coming back online have primarily been because most major hosting providers have refused to take their business (and possibly also as a result of their ridiculous hardware requirements, cf. https://twitter.com/th3j35t3r/status/1350612426115452935 ).

Peruse https://www.lastweekinaws.com/blog/parlers-new-serverless-ar...

Unless you are building your webservice like it's 1998 (And webservices in 1998 sucked), you can't really disentangle from hosted solutions.

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Post by repeatafterme1 »

gowld wrote: post #255
snoshy wrote: post #25

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It seemed apparent right when the case was filed that Parler didn't have a leg to stand on. It was partly a play for publicity that plays well into their customer demographics, and a dying gasp of trying to seek some kind of injunctive help from the administration, no matter how impossible it seemed. Judging by how weak their infrastructure was in the first place, getting any kind of resilient hosting in place after…

Surely there is a Russian cloud provider? Parler is a Russian company so it should be easy to sign up with local providers.

Take a deep breath, and repeat after me: "I am ok with others cancelling companies/people I don't agree with politically". Deep breath out. Ahhh, that feels much better!

PD. Just don't you dare cancel those I agree with!

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Post by jeremyfromca »

OniBait wrote: post #26
unethical_ban wrote: post #3

I've been trying to come to grips with the societal impact of echo chambers, "hate" speech, and the obligations vs. rights of sites and hosting providers. So far, my take is that websites have less obligation than hosting. It concerns me that AWS booted a site off their platform for speech issues - I am leaning more and more to the idea that colos, IaaS and ISPs should be considered common carriers, and that only a c…

I would suspect that it would give Twitter pause about hosting anything in AWS. But I doubt that is the case because there seems to have been a pretty clear-cut case of collusion between Twitter, Apple, Google and Amazon to silence Trump by any means possible.

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Re: Judge refuses to reinstate Parler after Amazon shut it down

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Post by threatofrain »

throwaway45349 wrote: post #5

As much as I don't like Parler's digital death sentence from Silicon Valley, they should've known this was coming and prepared. It doesn't take a genius to know that such a controversial website is going to get dropped, even if it's just because it makes the webhost look bad. Yes it's unfair that Twitter gets away with hosting way worse content, but life is unfair, that doesn't mean you stick your head in the sand an…

According to the CEO of Parler, banks and payment vendors, law firms, text and mail services also cancelled on them. This is why Parler also motivates discussion of alternative currency.

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Post by blueline »

newfriend wrote: post #247
_dw7s wrote: post #160

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> Hollywood, Silicon Valley, academia, and the news media all lean left. citation needed. Silicon Valley is a monument to capitalism and most if not all entrepreneurs lean libertarian. As for the news media, as an example, Fox News has the highest viewership in the US. And for the others, ever thought about why you're not seeing a lot of coverage about unions/worker rights/worker strikes? Don't mistake anti-Trump rhe…

So capitalism is right-wing now? Oh let me guess, this is the old "Democrats are actually right-wing", right? > As for the news media, as an example, Fox News has the highest viewership in the US. Yes one channel is different than every other, of course viewership is concentrated there -- all the lefty viewers are spread out over the remaining channels. If the other news channels aren't "left-wing" then Fox isn't "ri…

In what universe is capitalism not an emphatically right wing economic system?

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Post by ravenstine »

duskwuff wrote: post #197
ravenstine wrote: post #106

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> Twitter doesn't have perfect execution of their moderation across all of their tweets, obviously, but they are at least making a good faith effort to remove content that has explicit calls to violence. Isn't that mainly due to their amount of revenue? Are newer services supposed to be shut down because they can't(yet?) compete with Twitter on budget for moderation?

Moderation scales with the size of the site. Obviously a tiny little web forum with a few dozen users isn't expected to have a Twitter-sized moderation team -- but if you're at a few million users and growing fast, you're expected to have some plans in place.

That sounds good on paper, but what happens when your revenue doesn't closely correlate with the number of users? Hypothetically, a site can have a million users but have a shoestring budget. On the other side of the scale, Twitter not only has the support structure to mass moderate but they have investors providing millions of dollars. Hiring a full time moderator isn't trivial; it's thousands a year per person, which can be tough for a website that operates on mere thousands to even a few million.
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