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Re: Judge refuses to reinstate Parler after Amazon shut it down

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What do you mean by saying that democrats took over the post office? I assume you mean the USPS? The postmaster general was appointed by Trump. The senate until just last week had a Republican majority. Exactly how did the Democrats exercise power to "take over"?

Dems pushed the use of the USPS as a general voting system. Terrible idea. The USPS was not designed this way. Dems knew they could leverage their population dense cities to win this using USPS. To say that one side is clean and the other is corrupt is clearly incorrect. They both cheat. They both cheat a lot. The dems just cheated better this time.

The Democrats wanted the USPS to deliver the mail. They also wanted people to be able to vote through the mail because we are in the middle of the worst pandemic in 100 years. This is different from treating the USPS as a general voting system.

You are arguing that the Democrats cheated more than the Republicans, or "better". Do you have any evidence of this? This needs to be evidence from the past election, not Chicago in 1962 or something.

Re: Judge refuses to reinstate Parler after Amazon shut it down

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Parlers goal of being the alternate free speech platform is horrendously thought out. The same companies and that they are trying to remove influence from (Silicon Valley - amazon, twitter, facebook, etc.) are the same companies that they're doing business with. Gab is ridiculous and I get a very religious "holier than thou" (lol) vibe from them. Their founder(s) are very puritanical and will likely not survive the n…

> Parlers goal of being the alternate free speech platform is horrendously thought out.

Parler's goal is whatever the billionaire Mercer family want it to be; presumably "Twitter for Brietbart readers", since that's another of their media properties.

Re: Judge refuses to reinstate Parler after Amazon shut it down

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Here's the denial of the TRO: https://drive.google.com/file/d/1qhXD-4Kaw5dCEBv0dUM8buygEKg... Parler hasn't lost the case, just a TRO that demands reinstatement on AWS, but the ruling on the TRO requires the judge to tip their hand about the case, and Parler is going to lose. I don't think you even need to read the AWS AUP to know that Parler has no real case here. To buy Parler's contract claim, you'd have to believ…

>To buy Parler's contract claim, you'd have to believe that Amazon's lawyers are so stupid that they set out a TOS for the world's largest hosting provider that didn't give AWS the right to boot customers, which is something AWS --- really, every hosting provider --- has to do all the time. They haven't released the actual contract itself but from what Parler said in their lawsuit, they had a clause in their contract…

Amazon had been warning parlor about their content and lack of moderation for months.

Re: Judge refuses to reinstate Parler after Amazon shut it down

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> Each state gets numbers by its population. This is false, and the core of the criticism of the EC. Each state gets 2 votes independent of its population, which is biased toward small population states, and for over a century the definition of states was constrained by a compromise to protect slavery .

California has more electors than Vermont.

Vermont supports abolishing the Electoral College.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Popular_Vote_Intersta...

Re: Judge refuses to reinstate Parler after Amazon shut it down

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If you listen to Parler's CEO arguing about being shut down[0] (interview with Megyn Kelly), he was saying that their tech rep at Amazon gave no hints that they were in danger of being shut down. It sounded like they were doing a decent job and they tried to remedy Amazon's issues, but Amazon wanted nothing to do with them anymore. EDIT: to add, this is just his take. There is obviously 2-sides to the story, so hard…

Parler's CEO claims were debunked by Amazon, which provided evidence that they warned Parler for months across multiple multiple violations: https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2021/01/filing-amazon-wa...

Your source for "debunking" has a clear conflict of interest, no?

Re: Judge refuses to reinstate Parler after Amazon shut it down

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My understanding is that Parler actively avoided making technical decisions which would tie them to AWS. Their problems coming back online have primarily been because most major hosting providers have refused to take their business (and possibly also as a result of their ridiculous hardware requirements, cf. https://twitter.com/th3j35t3r/status/1350612426115452935 ).

why are they not looking to colocate instead?

No colo company wants them as a customer and it would take months to order and install ~200 servers.

Re: Judge refuses to reinstate Parler after Amazon shut it down

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1. Democratic party threatens tech industry with heavy regulation because they don't censor to the degree that the Democrats want. 2. Democratic party takes over control of the government. 3. Major companies in the tech industry work together to boot a competitor, and political opponent of the Democratic party off the internet. At what point is this a legit first amendment issue? The government can't just pressure pr…

On a similar vein, the president breaks all the policies of a web service, and the company that runs it does not kick him off due to fear of retribution by the government. It seems like Twitter's free speech has been limited for the past 4 years, and they've only been able enforce their policies once trump stopped having power

I would agree that such a situation would be a problem, but I don't agree that it applies. Trump violated Twitter's TOS plenty before he was president, and Twitter didn't ban him then, so I don't think they were doing this in fear of retribution.

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It's worth noting how much actual political power the right in America has, despite being about 50% of voters. The Senate and electoral college favor them massively. This means you should expect to have an uphill battle if you want to change any laws that might counter their preferences.

This is false. The left now has the Senate and the Presidency. The electoral college does not matter. They go the way their states go as was made quite clear in the last election. EDIT: Of course it matters how the voting system was designed. The EC votes the way their State votes. The forefathers intended for states to have some say in the matter. We are a representative democracy. That is how the system was designe…

Yes, we should change the system. It was a compromise that is now well outdated.

Re: Judge refuses to reinstate Parler after Amazon shut it down

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I downvoted you not because I thought it would intimidate you, but because it lacked any content at all. You just asserted something without explanation. It was a low quality post. The way you respond to the downvotes now also makes me think you are not even arguing in good faith, but just doing performative victimization.

A legal professional saying a case is interesting, on a forum of mostly technical people, is a contribution. Even if a small one given a lack of supporting argument. If tptacek, security researcher, says a case is no real case (even with arguments) and an attorney contradicts him then that is evidence tptacek is wrong. Realistically, I still expect Ptacek to be right - I don't see how Amazon could be forced to host s…

I must disagree here. Someone essentially saying "I have professional authority; you're wrong" is to me worth even less than a bare declaration of "you're wrong"--it is nothing more than an appeal to authority if there is no reasons given for the opinion.

Or, put more simply, to me, reasoning from a non-expert trumps non-reasoning from an expert.

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