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Re: Launch HN: Manara (YC W21) – Connect Middle East engineers with global companies

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You have Andela: https://techcrunch.com/2019/01/23/connecting-african-softwar...

Many devs in Nigeria avoid them now like you'd a viper. Their layoffs are way too much and recently they've gone full gigs. They used to employ Engineers that work on foreign projects but ever since they came to the limelight and the main Nigerian co-founder left they've lost the good reputation they previously enjoyed. TL;DR; It's no longer the place it used to be.

What do you mean about going full gigs? Does that mean that the contracts that their engineers are working on now are no longer full-time engagements?

We'd love to learn anything we can from their journey. We know that growing can be challenging, so we want to start thinking now about the strategies that will be most successful for both our talent & our hiring partners.

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Thanks so much! That's interesting that people are already asking you for MENA talent sometimes. Under what circumstances does that happen?

When folks want to startup and ask for programmers but only get a bunch of snake oil salesmen who know "AI expertise" or "blockchain" but have a degree and background in marketing. Way too common in Dubai especially. Every time someone asked me, I always referred them to India or Pakistan, since I never knew where the Arab coders are. That is until now.

Oh got it, didn't realize you were in Dubai. Makes sense now! We've been happy to see a growing community of strong tech companies & startups there (e.g., Noon, Careem, Ziina) and were surprised to find how much they value our service. Even for companies intimate with the region it can be hard to identify the top talent, so they appreciate our curation & vetting.

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Oh man that's too bad! We have one partner in Italy so far (Bending Spoons) and they didn't mention this to us though... maybe that's a good sign, or maybe they were too embarrassed!

I am italian, and I wouldn't worry too much. It is true that the artist is very famous and has even done some tech-related work in the past (I think he designed boxes for GPUs or modems, I forgot), but it's not like you risk being confused.

This is reassuring, thank you!

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Oh man that's too bad! We have one partner in Italy so far (Bending Spoons) and they didn't mention this to us though... maybe that's a good sign, or maybe they were too embarrassed!

It has to be said Milo Manara is a boomer and his popularity somewhat declined in the 2000s. Nowadays even people who are familiar with his mainstream output (from ads to cartoons made with Adriano Celentano) don't necessarily know his name or the fact that he became famous with erotic comics in late-70s/mid-80s. I would not expect anybody under 30 to be familiar with his name.

This is reassuring, thank you! Also probably clarifies why we hadn't heard of him. :)

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When folks want to startup and ask for programmers but only get a bunch of snake oil salesmen who know "AI expertise" or "blockchain" but have a degree and background in marketing. Way too common in Dubai especially. Every time someone asked me, I always referred them to India or Pakistan, since I never knew where the Arab coders are. That is until now.

Oh got it, didn't realize you were in Dubai. Makes sense now! We've been happy to see a growing community of strong tech companies & startups there (e.g., Noon, Careem, Ziina) and were surprised to find how much they value our service. Even for companies intimate with the region it can be hard to identify the top talent, so they appreciate our curation & vetting.

I'm not in Dubai actually. I usually travel to Abu Dhabi though, but I am in touch with the Dubai tech scene, so it's a common refrain that I hear from folks there.

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Hi, no worries, thanks for asking! Curious what you’re seeing are the salary bands in competitive low-cost locations? We’re currently most familiar with the bands in Palestine, Egypt, Jordan, and UAE. What we’re seeing there varies widely, but can probably be thought of as breaking down into two separate scales/salary bands: those paid by local companies and by international companies sourcing talent in the region pr…

Thank you for the response. I am not the original commenter, but compensation was also my first thought and worry. Regardless, I still filled out the form and look forward to speaking to someone from your team. The reality is that hiring is hard. It is doubly hard when you don't have a name brand company, and doubly hard again when you are not VC-backed and can't pay salaries competitive to those companies. We're a t…

Thanks for sharing that. It is indeed really hard - and as startup founders, we understand! Just wanted to clarify that many of our engineers do want to work on startups with interesting missions… what matters most ultimately to them (and to us) is the team they’ll work with and the experience they'll get.

Laila is personally meeting with all of our potential new partners because we really care about understanding your customers’ needs & making sure that our solution addresses them. Will be interesting for you to discuss this with her. (Assuming you booked a call? You should have received an invite after you filled out the form.)

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Oh got it, didn't realize you were in Dubai. Makes sense now! We've been happy to see a growing community of strong tech companies & startups there (e.g., Noon, Careem, Ziina) and were surprised to find how much they value our service. Even for companies intimate with the region it can be hard to identify the top talent, so they appreciate our curation & vetting.

I'm not in Dubai actually. I usually travel to Abu Dhabi though, but I am in touch with the Dubai tech scene, so it's a common refrain that I hear from folks there.

Gotcha. Sounds like an interesting life. :)

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Could it also be that there is still a bit of a stigma in male circles, for that type of work? Traditional male stereotypes in the Middle East are still very, very well-entrenched; sitting at your desk "playing" with computers is probably not respected as much as elsewhere.

> Could it also be that there is still a bit of a stigma in male circles, for that type of work? No it's not. You are actually considered a genius if you work in STEM in general > sitting at your desk "playing" with computers is probably not respected as much as elsewhere. I'd say this changed in the last decade a lot. But there is a difference between sitting home playing video games while jobless and working in STE…

Laila has been in back-to-back calls since she posted this (thanks to everyone who filled out the form & booked a meeting with her!) so I'll share what I know on this topic.

The high proportion of women studying STEM is definitely not a reflection of men not being interested in these fields. Engineering of all types are admired in the region, and computer science has gained traction in the past 5 years. There's increasing participation in competitive programming competitions... and that's mostly men so far.

Until about 5 years ago both men and women in Palestine were pressured by their parents to study medicine. That has changed because people have become aware of the opportunities in the tech sector and the unemployment facing all other fields. There's an exam you have to take at the end of high school in Palestine called "tawjihi"... it's similar to the A-levels in the UK or the matural in Poland, closest equivalent in the USA would be the SATs. At one university I know of in Palestine, 5 years ago a "tawjihi" score of 78 could allow you to study computer science. Now it's 92+. So it's a more in-demand field amongst both mena and women. (That's one reason it makes sense to start Manara now: the pool of super smart talent in computer science is growing quickly.)

As for why women study STEM and do so well in it... Laila always tells me that it was so normal to her that she didn’t really think about it. Women studied Physics, Electrical Engineering, Computer Engineering, etc at high rates. I remember telling a woman in Gaza once about the stereotype that we have in the United States that men are better than women in these areas, and her response was, "Are you kidding? We all know women are super stars in those fields."

The fact that women do well in STEM starts off early: it's the only region in the world where girls outperform boys in high school math (and again, not because the boys are underperforming).

I have a hypothesis for this but it’s really just a wild guess. I ran across one study in the USA in which middle school girls’ math scores improved dramatically & quickly as soon as their math classes were separated by gender (i.e., girls did better when studying this subject with just other girls). In countries like Palestine most elementary, middle, and high schools are separate for girls and boys, so that might be a part of the reason for girls' confidence...

Re: Launch HN: Manara (YC W21) – Connect Middle East engineers with global companies

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It seems like there is correlation between patriarchal societies and having more women developers. I wonder why, maybe because anyway the society is patriarchal so there is not much difference between this field to others unlike in the west where all misogynist white males concentrate in this profession and all the good guys go to law or acting or wherever there are many women and everything is equal and rosy. But th…

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gender-equality_paradox

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