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New Intel CEO rehiring retired CPU architects

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Re: New Intel CEO rehiring retired CPU architects

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Post by syncsynchalt »

cbozeman wrote: post #171
hobofan wrote: post #115

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Damn, that whole comment section is an amazing time capsule of sentiment regarding Microsoft and other tech companies! Well worth a read.

This comment is amazing... "Microsoft recently came to my graduate school to recruit for user experience design and user experience research positions. 10 folks out of my program (about 25% of us) scored and interview. Every single one of us had no intention of working for Microsoft and joked about it intensely. Microsoft had be relegated to the realm of other boring places to do our type of work but that you intervi…

> Hard to believe Microsoft was so utterly reviled by competent people in 2007.

As someone who was there, I have no problem believing it.

If you were doing _anything_ that touched anything unixy in the 90s until the mid aughts MS wasn't just "uncool", they were actively "the enemy" directly competing against everything you did. After a while that adversarial relationship turned into joking with your peers about every mis-step they made. It didn't help that they seemed to make a lot of mis-steps and put a lot of effort into things that turned into dead ends.

They had to put a _lot_ of work into re-establishing their reputation this past decade.

Re: New Intel CEO rehiring retired CPU architects

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Post by Swizec »

lmilcin wrote: post #285
Swizec wrote: post #263

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It’s not about skills, it’s about the value those skills provide. If you write a webapp to solve a $5000/day problem, that’s worth $X. If your company sells that to 10 companies, your work is worth 10X. But if it’s sold to 10000, wow. Think of your work in terms of value provided to the buyer, not in terms of cost to yourself. Thus you unlock career potential

It is a little bit more complicated than that. If the webapp can solve $5000/day problem but there is literally millions of people that can do this, you are certainly not getting a share of that. Somebody else is maybe going to be rewarded for spotting an opportunity but the most you get is a "market rate". The only way you can get paid proportionally is if you are literally the only one that can solve the problem an…

Yes but that’s for the company to argue. Why would you help them lower your compensation?

Your goal is to maximize the value delivered. Their goal is to minimize how much of the value you capture.

You’ll find balance somewhere in the middle.

And ultimately there’s only so much a company will pay if they can’t extract value out of your work. Regardless of how good you are.

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Post by benibela »

leesalminen wrote: post #169
giantg2 wrote: post #165

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I just have trouble wrapping my head around how someone can be that valuable. I'll never even hit $75/hr (excluding inflation).

Here in Boulder $100/hr is the cheapest you can find for a freelance developer worth their salt.

As open-source developer, I make $0/hr :/

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Post by not2b »

jandrese wrote: post #272
UncleOxidant wrote: post #81

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I've been approached by headhunters for contract work at Intel. They want all kinds of machine learning knowledge & experience and the pay is.... $45/hr. I kid you not. I just sort of laugh and tell them that that's about 1/3 of market rate for that kind of thing.

You were just the "proof" they needed that there were no domestic engineers with the right skillset for the job they had so they could hire a H1B replacement for that salary.

Yes, this is probably it, they might already have the H1B person lined up, but they've got to offer the job to citizens/permanent residents. They often do this in a way that guarantees that they will get no takers.

The immigrant will agree to a low salary because the alternative is getting deported.

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Post by omegaham »

jdxcode wrote: post #41
joshstrange wrote: post #19

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In the same/similar vein it never ceases to amaze me how employers don't provide their employees with the best tools possible (within reason) to do their jobs. A company will give a developer a low/mid-range laptop/desktop pinching every penny they can then turn around any pay them a huge salary... Like do they not understand that running into RAM/CPU limits makes the developer less effective? I've had jobs where I'v…

I had a friend that worked for Intel and he had the absolute worst work laptop of anyone I know. I can't recall what it was exactly, but I remember it even had a low tier Intel chip.

I work at Intel right now. My laptop is serviceable but not the best, and it's loaded down with a bunch of spyware crap. Luckily, I just need it to SSH (either through VSCode or PuTTY) into my servers, which are nice and powerful.

I was helping an intern out, and they had him using literally the worst laptop I have ever seen. It had about as much power as a Chromebook, and it was running the same spyware that I had. No wonder he couldn't get anything done.

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Post by JacobSuperslav »

Goosee wrote: post #243
smeyer wrote: post #235

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>I sold all my intel stock the next day [late 2019], it made up most of my portfolio at the time. Sorry if this is too off-topic, but why did it make up a sizable fraction of your portfolio in the first place?

When I was young, my family made me put all of my christmas/birthday money into the stock market. Intel was suggested by an adult family member who did not have a tech background. That made up a majority of my portfolio. The rest of my portfolio was allocated to a stock I chose, Apple. Reason for Apple: At my elementary school, everyone loved using the Power Mac G5's during computer lab. Every kid had/wanted an iPod…

it's very risky to not diversify your stock portfolio.

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Post by dialamac »

b3kart wrote: post #266
konjin wrote: post #257

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People agree, talented people do not.

Underpaid people aren’t talented? That’s harsh.

It happens temporarily all the time of course such that there are plenty of talented people underpaid at a given time but long term most will not be. I along with friends went through bouts of shitty jobs, but it is rare to stay that way. Hiring from the pool of low rate workers is not a suitable standard practice at a place that isn’t a shithole.. as we see here with Intel.

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Post by cccc4all »

msie wrote: post #234
giantg2 wrote: post #150

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Wow. I make less than $45/hr (salary with extra hours dragging it down further, but with benefits). Edit for background: I have 9 years experience, an MSIS working at a financial company.

I'm in the same boat. The way some people here talk about making $200/hour makes me think how out of touch some HN'ers are with the average worker.

$200/hour rate is median for developers with in demand skills. Many companies will gladly pay this and higher rates to fill positions with qualified candidates.

Software engineering and development field is extremely difficult. There are many opportunities in this field, because there are so few candidates that can do the work. HN is self selected group of people with experience in the field. But they are actually very few in number.

The average worker does not have in demand skills in tech sector.

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Post by [deleted] »

stephencanon wrote: post #104
UncleOxidant wrote: post #81

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I've been approached by headhunters for contract work at Intel. They want all kinds of machine learning knowledge & experience and the pay is.... $45/hr. I kid you not. I just sort of laugh and tell them that that's about 1/3 of market rate for that kind of thing.

$45/hr is about what I was paid as a grad-student intern at Apple ... 15 years ago.

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