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Re: New Intel CEO rehiring retired CPU architects

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Post by ab_testing » Thu, Jan 21, 2021, 9:53 PM UTC

UncleOxidant wrote: post #81

lmilcin wrote: post #54

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I left Intel years ago to get almost 3x the salary as a software developer at... a bank. At Intel engineers are paid supposedly similar rates at similar levels and similar locations. And given my level (two levels above Senior Developer) I estimate I was paid better than at least 90% engineers. Where I worked in R&D the doors were constantly revolving and many people admitted they wait to register enough of prestigio…

I've been approached by headhunters for contract work at Intel. They want all kinds of machine learning knowledge & experience and the pay is.... $45/hr. I kid you not. I just sort of laugh and tell them that that's about 1/3 of market rate for that kind of thing.

That kind of positions are usually filled by H1 B contractors - primarily from smaller consulting companies. Usually Intel and other companies pay ~100-125 per hour but then the middlemen keep the rest.

Re: New Intel CEO rehiring retired CPU architects

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Post by A4ET8a8uTh0 » Thu, Jan 21, 2021, 10:02 PM UTC

xedrac wrote: post #124

ryandrake wrote: post #85

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Unashamed MBA checking in here! MBAs are the classic punching bags for HN. It seems we’re willing to bend the “civility” rules a bit here in order to have a nice hearty MBA-bash. I’ve seen all sorts of awful generalizations posted here about MBAs that would get you flagkilled if made about other professions or degrees. Some of us actually have tech/coding backgrounds and aren’t the stereotypical pointy-headed-bosses,…

While not fair to make sweeping generalizations, many of us engineers have had so many bad experiences with MBAs that it's hard to not lump them all together. Their need for control and culture shaping seem to directly harm engineering efforts in almost every case I've seen. I suppose in some ways they will always be at odds with one another.

I would buy that. Speaking of generalizations, can we just all agree that all HR people are bad people and a pox upon this land?

Re: New Intel CEO rehiring retired CPU architects

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Post by totalZero » Thu, Jan 21, 2021, 10:03 PM UTC

IanCutress wrote: post #24

ItsTotallyOn wrote: post #7

Except he didn't re-hire him. As noted in the article itself, the architect was already in negotiations since November. Also, new CEO doesn't step in until next month. Clickbait title.

The effect of Gelsinger taking the CEO role pushed a hire that was on the fence into accepting the role. It means he's having an affect already. That's what the title is meant to convey.

IMO the headline is sensationalist and factually inaccurate. Gelsinger hasn't re-hired anyone. He doesn't even take on the new role at Intel until approximately three weeks from now.

Re: New Intel CEO rehiring retired CPU architects

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Post by cosmodisk » Thu, Jan 21, 2021, 10:04 PM UTC

giantg2 wrote: post #165

bryant wrote: post #163

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For unsteady contracted project work, this doesn't sound off the mark for high-value niche skillsets at a senior or principal level. I wouldn't expect FAANGs to pay it for steady work, though. Well, Netflix might come close. I can count two principal-level architects pulling north of 700k/y, but I doubt they work just 40 hours a week.

I just have trouble wrapping my head around how someone can be that valuable. I'll never even hit $75/hr (excluding inflation).

I'm nowhere near $75/h. A couple of years ago I built a solution for the company I work for that heavily contributed getting hundreds of thousands in revenue( and continues to do so). All it took was a few weeks. Didn't even get a bonus or something and this is a tiny company. Right work can be worth millions,so even $2000/h may not look high enough.

Re: New Intel CEO rehiring retired CPU architects

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Post by mywittyname » Thu, Jan 21, 2021, 10:05 PM UTC

fermienrico wrote: post #167

mywittyname wrote: post #166

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> Their work is valuable but they’re entirely replaceable. Intel is replaceable.

Sorry, I’m not sure if I follow your point? Basically, I was saying that top-engineers are irreplaceable but they need replaceable engineers to execute menial, boring, repetitive work. There is a lot of this to be done.

Hiding in those pools of 'replaceable' engineers are the next generation of top-level engineers. Intel seems to have failed to recognize that fact and now have become as replaceable as their employees are.

Having a boring or menial job is not an indictment of a person's potential or capabilities.

Re: New Intel CEO rehiring retired CPU architects

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Post by lnenad » Thu, Jan 21, 2021, 10:07 PM UTC

giantg2 wrote: post #152

stephencanon wrote: post #104

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$45/hr is about what I was paid as a grad-student intern at Apple ... 15 years ago.

I have a salary that would work our to less than $45/hr, with extra hours dragging it down further.

I mean that is a great salary all in all, be happy with what you have.

Re: New Intel CEO rehiring retired CPU architects

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Post by konjin » Thu, Jan 21, 2021, 10:11 PM UTC

spicybright wrote: post #207

darth_avocado wrote: post #151

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I am 100% in the same boat. Had a recruiter reach out to me who wanted me to leave my more than comfortable six figure SV job to do cutting edge contract work in machine learning as a lead engineer for about $50/hour. I was so amused I actually spent the time listening to their pitch and eventually told them that anything less than $200/hour wouldn't even cover my current pay + benefits. Let me know if you can do bet…

I genuinely feel bad for talented people that get suckered into deals like this. Obviously some do if recruiters try and do this.

People agree, talented people do not.

Re: New Intel CEO rehiring retired CPU architects

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Post by lnenad » Thu, Jan 21, 2021, 10:12 PM UTC

leesalminen wrote: post #246

giantg2 wrote: post #201

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I'm just worthless

I find that to be highly unlikely seeing that you’ve been a part of the HN community for under 2 years and have nearly the same karma as me after 7. You clearly have something interesting to say! My email is in my profile. Hit me up to chat if you’d like :). Maybe I can help you somehow.

That's very kind of you.

Re: New Intel CEO rehiring retired CPU architects

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Post by chaganated » Thu, Jan 21, 2021, 10:13 PM UTC

Dan Loeb

Re: New Intel CEO rehiring retired CPU architects

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Post by totalZero » Thu, Jan 21, 2021, 10:13 PM UTC

mattashii wrote: post #20

clubdorothe wrote: post #4

They've probably lost[1] few months ago their most talented chips engineer, Jim Keller[2]. Ironically, Jim suggested to outsource the manufacturing of their chips, what the new CEO just did [3]. [1] https://www.anandtech.com/show/15846/jim-keller-resigns-from... [2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jim_Keller_(engineer) [3] https://www.extremetech.com/computing/319301-report-intel-wi...

Your [3] is (still) a rumour, and although signs of it have been around since at least July 2020, this has not been confirmed nor would I qualify it as 'something their new CEO just did' as it has been talked about by their current CEO as well.

Gelsinger just said on the earnings call that it's likely they will outsource and that he will comment further after he takes the reins. So, it's all but confirmed.

Here's the webcast link from the Intel website:

https://edge.media-server.com/mmc/p/vjapujpe

If you don't want to click that because of the URL, you can also find it on https://www.intc.com/.