Twitter sued for allegedly refusing to remove child porn • Hacker News Board

Re: Twitter sued for allegedly refusing to remove child porn

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Post by kenjackson » Thu, Jan 21, 2021, 7:48 PM UTC

IfOnlyYouKnew wrote: post #50

jlkuester7 wrote: post #5

During all the recent debates regarding Parler, much was said about how Parler needed effective moderation like Twitter. This article is an important reminder that there is a lot more room for improvement in the moderation space and even companies that "do it right" are still making glaring mistakes. > We’ve reviewed the content, and didn’t find a violation of our policies, so no action will be taken at this time Thi…

Maybe it's the headline that is misleading you, or it's a symptom of our times. In any case: it should be blatantly obvious that the Twitter representative did not know or agree that the person in the video was a minor. The insinuation that it's Twitter policy to distribute child pornography is laughable. They have absolutely nothing to gain from it. As to liability: Section 230 is about exactly that situation: tryin…

The article is from the NY Post. This makes me question it right out the gate. And I just find it hard to believe that Twitter would want to keep something like this up, since it is illegal content. There is no incentive for them to do so, and the NY Post isn't the publication to dive into this at all.

Re: Twitter sued for allegedly refusing to remove child porn

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Post by captainredbeard » Thu, Jan 21, 2021, 7:48 PM UTC

matz1 wrote: post #61

tiagod wrote: post #6

I've had this happen to me on Facebook. Found a disgusting video involving children, reported it, got a response that there's nothing wrong with it. It's like the people reviewing this stuff have only a second to decide if the content should be deleted.

Thats understandable, what you considered disgusting may not be conisdered disgusting by other people.

Well, those people with a different (lesser) definition of disgusting w.r.t. children are called pedophiles and they are bad.

Re: Twitter sued for allegedly refusing to remove child porn

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Post by phnofive » Thu, Jan 21, 2021, 7:49 PM UTC

The lawsuit digs into the details of the timeline - from initial report by the plaintiff to removal of the content took nine days (with the help of law enforcement) - which makes me wonder how much merit there is to the suit, Twitter’s fumble notwithstanding.

Re: Twitter sued for allegedly refusing to remove child porn

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Post by prasadjoglekar » Thu, Jan 21, 2021, 7:49 PM UTC

bigphishy wrote: post #66

Wow, I don't mean to issue an ad-hominem attack... but I do not consider anything from NY Post legitimate, I'd even venture to say NY Post is a tabloid owned by News Corporation, and surprised that this is on HackerNews.

The NY Post has a well known conservative bias, but that doesn't make their reporting illegitimate. You can disagree with their opinion pieces, but the factual reporting (in this case - that there's a lawsuit against Twitter) can be objectively checked.

Also as NYC'er, my take is that a lot of their opinions are quite accurate and correct.

Re: Twitter sued for allegedly refusing to remove child porn

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Post by lawnchair_larry » Thu, Jan 21, 2021, 7:51 PM UTC

trident5000 wrote: post #46

driverdan wrote: post #43

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's not true. FB has many US moderators, many outsourced to other companies.

I think the odds of US moderators being any sort of majority or anything close to that is slim to zero. The savings are astronomical and is the same reason customer support of all kinds, even IT help, is outsourced. US mods are most likely a minority and a face.

Why say this? You’re making things up and you happen to be wrong.

Re: Twitter sued for allegedly refusing to remove child porn

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Post by briandear » Thu, Jan 21, 2021, 7:51 PM UTC

isochronous wrote: post #38

fakedang wrote: post #4

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Unfortunately, mainstream media won't pick on it, nor will the story gain traction because it is published in the NY Post. (if it is true) Edit:- to the folks down voting me, please show me some major outlets (NYT, BBC, etc) reporting on this. As far as we are concerned, this kind of stuff should be news.

There's more than one explanation as to why "mainstream media" might not run a story. The NY Post isn't exactly known as a bastion of credible journalism. That's why they ran the Hunter Biden laptop story when everyone else passed because they couldn't verify it.

Couldn’t verify? Or refused to try?

Re: Twitter sued for allegedly refusing to remove child porn

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Post by Bud » Thu, Jan 21, 2021, 7:53 PM UTC

So we're posting sensationalist, hyper-inflated claptrap from the Murdoch-rag NY Post on Hacker News now?

Let's not, instead. If this is really a story, and if that headline is really justified, then a more reliable source can be found.

Set phasers to flag and fire.

Re: Twitter sued for allegedly refusing to remove child porn

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Post by throwawaysea » Thu, Jan 21, 2021, 7:53 PM UTC

I've noticed that Twitter is very arbitrary in terms of what they moderate and don't moderate. I've seen accounts for antifa groups or other groups engaged in criminality and violence several times, and no action has been taken on my reports. Invariably, the reports that aren't acted upon are ones involving groups that align with left-leaning political sentiments. This type of selective enforcement of rules is extremely unjust, and I am not at all surprised to see this inconsistent enforcement in this instance either.

Re: Twitter sued for allegedly refusing to remove child porn

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Post by dx87 » Thu, Jan 21, 2021, 7:54 PM UTC

Gunax wrote: post #68

Folks, let's assume that the Twitter mod saw this and did not classify it as child porn. How can a twitter mod decide if it's child porn (as opposed to just 'porn')? I am not sure there is a proper solution for this. How can they verify the age of an unknown person?

They could just remove it if they can't tell, same way a bouncer will throw you out of a bar if you don't have ID.

I don't know why people are giving social media companies a pass on what goes on just because their job is hard. Nobody is holding a gun to their head and telling them that they need to run an unmanageable platform, they wanted this many users.

Re: Twitter sued for allegedly refusing to remove child porn

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Post by Bud » Thu, Jan 21, 2021, 7:55 PM UTC

fakedang wrote: post #4

the_drunkard wrote: post #2

The victim actually took steps to have content removed and Twitter failed to do so (initially). I wonder if payment vendors will give Twitter the "Pornhub treatment" and de-platform their access to financial services. > Finally on Jan. 28, Twitter replied to Doe and said they wouldn’t be taking down the material, which had already racked up over 167,000 views and 2,223 retweets, the suit states. > “Thanks for reachin…

Unfortunately, mainstream media won't pick on it, nor will the story gain traction because it is published in the NY Post. (if it is true) Edit:- to the folks down voting me, please show me some major outlets (NYT, BBC, etc) reporting on this. As far as we are concerned, this kind of stuff should be news.

Real media don't make decisions on whether to publish based on whether something also appears in the NY Post. That's a ludicrous assertion.

What's actually happening: Murdoch rags like the Post have zero editorial standards, whereas others are attempting to actually vet this story before running it.