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Re: New Intel CEO rehiring retired CPU architects

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Post by hellohello1 »

ryandrake wrote: post #85
langitbiru wrote: post #25

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Reading all comments grilling MBAs in HN is one of my guilty pleasures. I think I need to collect them all and put them in one place.

Unashamed MBA checking in here! MBAs are the classic punching bags for HN. It seems we’re willing to bend the “civility” rules a bit here in order to have a nice hearty MBA-bash. I’ve seen all sorts of awful generalizations posted here about MBAs that would get you flagkilled if made about other professions or degrees. Some of us actually have tech/coding backgrounds and aren’t the stereotypical pointy-headed-bosses,…

MBAs are the equivalent of butter bars in the military. You get a lot of fresh faced BCOM -> MBA grads who know absolutely nothing but doctrine and are put in a position of power.

CompSci -> Work in industry -> MBA usually produces the best managers.

Re: New Intel CEO rehiring retired CPU architects

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Post by kube-system »

giantg2 wrote: post #150
UncleOxidant wrote: post #81

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I've been approached by headhunters for contract work at Intel. They want all kinds of machine learning knowledge & experience and the pay is.... $45/hr. I kid you not. I just sort of laugh and tell them that that's about 1/3 of market rate for that kind of thing.

Wow. I make less than $45/hr (salary with extra hours dragging it down further, but with benefits). Edit for background: I have 9 years experience, an MSIS working at a financial company.

You can't really fairly compare 1099 to W2 hours without subtracting for holidays, vacation, self-employment taxes, benefits, capacity/downtime, etc. The math might easily work out to a 30%-40% difference.

Re: New Intel CEO rehiring retired CPU architects

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Post by Chyzwar »

fermienrico wrote: post #153
PragmaticPulp wrote: post #9

This is an encouraging move. My secondhand understanding was that Intel was losing top talent due to pressure to pay closer to median industry compensation. Top engineers recognized they were underpaid and left the company. I've been part of a similar downhill slide at a smaller company in the billion dollar revenue range. To be blunt, once the [mediocre] MBAs start realizing that the engineers are getting paid more…

Ex-Intel perspective: There is also a lot of work that needs to be done at Intel which requires mediocre engineers by the thousands. Intel does pay well to their top engineers which climb up in the ranks. The engineer working on CAD, layout, specs, RFQs, Suppliers, Equipment, etc are hardly going to revolutionize anything. Their work is valuable but they’re entirely replaceable. For every top engineer, you need 20 mi…

I saw these first-hand armies of cheap contractors that cannot deliver anything. In the meantime your neglected supporting software/infrastructure slow you down. Intel had enough money to get the best engineers on every level. Lower turnover and better and cheaper to maintain software. Instead, they choose to save money QA they got spectre saga. Intel saved on latest process and not used EUV and could not deliver 10nm at all.

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Post by dandanua »

cbozeman wrote: post #156
yaboy wrote: post #53

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I worked at a startup that was acquired by an unsexy behemoth. It was not covered in TechCrunch. We had a sales guy who easily cleared over $1MM in salary and bonuses, several times the CEO and founders, because he went above and beyond, closing $15MM of new business a year. When the MBA consultants and salespeople from the acquirer found out, they couldn’t believe he made that much — all while they personally manage…

"I have a master's degree and I went to , therefore no one's supposed to make more money than me!" We need to get people out of this kind of thinking, and the sooner the better.

Aha, good luck with that. Entire human history is full of such social differentiation, where a particular group, caste, nation, etc. think that they are better and deserve more than the others.

MBAs, in my experience, is the worst example of it. They treat themselves as some higher order creatures, without actual skills or understanding of things.

Re: New Intel CEO rehiring retired CPU architects

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Post by ar_lan »

IanCutress wrote: post #24
ItsTotallyOn wrote: post #7

Except he didn't re-hire him. As noted in the article itself, the architect was already in negotiations since November. Also, new CEO doesn't step in until next month. Clickbait title.

The effect of Gelsinger taking the CEO role pushed a hire that was on the fence into accepting the role. It means he's having an affect already. That's what the title is meant to convey.

The title does a bad job of this, though, as it's extremely ambiguous who is doing the "rehiring." The way it's worded, the best assumption is the "New Intel CEO" is doing the "rehiring" - but Pat did not do this.

Re: New Intel CEO rehiring retired CPU architects

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Post by cunac »

JJMcJ wrote: post #117
PragmaticPulp wrote: post #9

This is an encouraging move. My secondhand understanding was that Intel was losing top talent due to pressure to pay closer to median industry compensation. Top engineers recognized they were underpaid and left the company. I've been part of a similar downhill slide at a smaller company in the billion dollar revenue range. To be blunt, once the [mediocre] MBAs start realizing that the engineers are getting paid more…

Remember, if you pay median, 1/2 the engineers are making more at other companies.

also remember that median always exists so it will always be a case that there is 1/2 under and 1/2 over.If all companies paying median raise that by 20% what is a current median?

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Post by cccc4all »

giantg2 wrote: post #150
UncleOxidant wrote: post #81

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I've been approached by headhunters for contract work at Intel. They want all kinds of machine learning knowledge & experience and the pay is.... $45/hr. I kid you not. I just sort of laugh and tell them that that's about 1/3 of market rate for that kind of thing.

Wow. I make less than $45/hr (salary with extra hours dragging it down further, but with benefits). Edit for background: I have 9 years experience, an MSIS working at a financial company.

That may be median for your area and you may be happy with it.

In west coast tech hubs, that's about half of median salary alone. If you factor in bonus, stock options, etc. That's about 1/3 or 1/4 of total comp.

https://www.levels.fyi/

Re: New Intel CEO rehiring retired CPU architects

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Post by cbozeman »

1-6 wrote: post #96
sradman wrote: post #78

In my estimation, Intel has four categories in which it is being outperformed by key competitors: 1. TSMC/Samsung - fabrication 2. AMD/Amazon-Graviton - Cloud Server 3. Apple-M1/AMD - Laptop 4. Nvidia/Amazon - Cloud ML/DL Accelerator Intel has made giant blunders in the past (e.g. Itanium [1], Atom [2], WiMAX [3]) but I'm not sure that any of these past challenges were equivalent to the current four-front war. I woul…

Your list is skewing toward Amazon, but point well taken. If you include Google and Microsoft, they're all chip-designers as well because they can simply license ARM's designs. Imagine if Netflix decided to hire chip designers. All that's left is fabrication and Intel is exiting that.

There is no way Intel is going to exit fabrication.

They're using TSMC out of necessity, not desire. Intel's fabs are integral not only to their success and profits, but to the infrastructure of the United States itself. We simply cannot allow all CPU fabrication to be offshored, especially when most of it is close to China (Taiwan / TSMC). Samsung is too busy pumping out smartphone / tablet CPUs and NVIDIA's GPUs, so even if Intel wanted to use them, there's not enough capacity.

Intel is going to have to get their shit together, not just for their own sake, but for strategic manufacturing security interests of the United States as well.

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Post by bee_rider »

hinkley wrote: post #121
lmilcin wrote: post #106

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It is likely your friend was paid better because they were assigned higher grade. Just for being PhD I think you are automatically bumped to something like senior engineer or higher. Intel has grading system which you can try to google. You are paid according to your grade (+ benefits based on performance, etc.) Also, you are evaluated against your grade and you can gain or loose a grade based on performance (but mor…

I've known people from towns with one or even two big industries, grew up in several, and the town always gets weird after a while. One in particular I'm thinking of that was almost healthy had a state and an art university pulling in money, and people who lived in the school districts but commuted to heavy industry in an exurb of the next big town. Someone tried building a factory on the edge of town to poach those…

Intel in Oregon is probably like an hour from downtown Portland, and there are a ton of apartment complexes about halfway between the two (and there's nice public transit to Portland, so you don't have to deal with the drivers). Nike also has a big building nearby.

Also, I imagine Intel would gain very little from being located in, for example, the Bay Area or NYC. It isn't like they are some little startup that needs to go out to bars to find new developers or whatever.

Re: New Intel CEO rehiring retired CPU architects

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Post by fermienrico »

cbozeman wrote: post #180
fermienrico wrote: post #167

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Sorry, I’m not sure if I follow your point? Basically, I was saying that top-engineers are irreplaceable but they need replaceable engineers to execute menial, boring, repetitive work. There is a lot of this to be done.

His point is, when you go from being practically the only game in town in 2014, to being a joke-ass also-ran "competitor" being trounced by the underdog processor company[0] who damn near went bankrupt and had to sell their fab just to stay afloat; and when your two biggest allies 1) make their own System-on-a-Chip that fucking slaughters your best offerings in a ton of benchmarks and real world tests, and also does…

This feels like a distraction from what I was driving at. Whether it’s Intel, AMD, etc. any large company needs a lot of work to be done. You don’t need top engineers for that.
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