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Re: New Intel CEO rehiring retired CPU architects

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Post by hinkley »

lmilcin wrote: post #106
aidenn0 wrote: post #79

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I recall hearing from friends that Intel paid more for higher levels of education; having a PhD was more conducive to a high salary than years of experience. Do you know if that was true?

It is likely your friend was paid better because they were assigned higher grade. Just for being PhD I think you are automatically bumped to something like senior engineer or higher. Intel has grading system which you can try to google. You are paid according to your grade (+ benefits based on performance, etc.) Also, you are evaluated against your grade and you can gain or loose a grade based on performance (but mor…

I've known people from towns with one or even two big industries, grew up in several, and the town always gets weird after a while. One in particular I'm thinking of that was almost healthy had a state and an art university pulling in money, and people who lived in the school districts but commuted to heavy industry in an exurb of the next big town. Someone tried building a factory on the edge of town to poach those people but it didn't stick. But that one company still overshadowed everything.

Your one company gentrifies the hell out of some things, not everything, and ultimately all fates are tied to their fortunes. They do a layoff, hiring freeze or even a salary squeeze and eight months later a few restaurants and one of your favorite stores shut down. You find out they've been late on payments to people and vendors for the past 6 months.

I recall the first time I heard someone interviewing at Intel and I asked why they were, 'in the middle of nowhere in Oregon' and nobody had a good answer to that.

What I've learned about manufacturing since then makes me think, "lax environmental rules and watchdogs".

Re: New Intel CEO rehiring retired CPU architects

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Post by avs733 »

commandlinefan wrote: post #100
ryandrake wrote: post #85

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Unashamed MBA checking in here! MBAs are the classic punching bags for HN. It seems we’re willing to bend the “civility” rules a bit here in order to have a nice hearty MBA-bash. I’ve seen all sorts of awful generalizations posted here about MBAs that would get you flagkilled if made about other professions or degrees. Some of us actually have tech/coding backgrounds and aren’t the stereotypical pointy-headed-bosses,…

> we aren’t all bad! 99% of MBAs give the rest a bad name.

kind of like software developers! (according to HN as well)

Re: New Intel CEO rehiring retired CPU architects

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Post by jack_riminton »

langitbiru wrote: post #25
PragmaticPulp wrote: post #9

This is an encouraging move. My secondhand understanding was that Intel was losing top talent due to pressure to pay closer to median industry compensation. Top engineers recognized they were underpaid and left the company. I've been part of a similar downhill slide at a smaller company in the billion dollar revenue range. To be blunt, once the [mediocre] MBAs start realizing that the engineers are getting paid more…

Reading all comments grilling MBAs in HN is one of my guilty pleasures. I think I need to collect them all and put them in one place.

Me too. I'm thinking of knocking up a quick site just to dunk on MBAs...

Re: New Intel CEO rehiring retired CPU architects

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Post by xedrac »

ryandrake wrote: post #85
langitbiru wrote: post #25

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Reading all comments grilling MBAs in HN is one of my guilty pleasures. I think I need to collect them all and put them in one place.

Unashamed MBA checking in here! MBAs are the classic punching bags for HN. It seems we’re willing to bend the “civility” rules a bit here in order to have a nice hearty MBA-bash. I’ve seen all sorts of awful generalizations posted here about MBAs that would get you flagkilled if made about other professions or degrees. Some of us actually have tech/coding backgrounds and aren’t the stereotypical pointy-headed-bosses,…

While not fair to make sweeping generalizations, many of us engineers have had so many bad experiences with MBAs that it's hard to not lump them all together. Their need for control and culture shaping seem to directly harm engineering efforts in almost every case I've seen. I suppose in some ways they will always be at odds with one another.

Re: New Intel CEO rehiring retired CPU architects

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Post by nolok »

sradman wrote: post #78

In my estimation, Intel has four categories in which it is being outperformed by key competitors: 1. TSMC/Samsung - fabrication 2. AMD/Amazon-Graviton - Cloud Server 3. Apple-M1/AMD - Laptop 4. Nvidia/Amazon - Cloud ML/DL Accelerator Intel has made giant blunders in the past (e.g. Itanium [1], Atom [2], WiMAX [3]) but I'm not sure that any of these past challenges were equivalent to the current four-front war. I woul…

You forgot their main market, AMD - desktop x86/windows

But the first point on your list is where their real loss is, it's historically the source of their strenght and they've never been losing at this one.

Re: New Intel CEO rehiring retired CPU architects

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Post by reducesuffering »

ignoramous wrote: post #98
ryandrake wrote: post #85

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Unashamed MBA checking in here! MBAs are the classic punching bags for HN. It seems we’re willing to bend the “civility” rules a bit here in order to have a nice hearty MBA-bash. I’ve seen all sorts of awful generalizations posted here about MBAs that would get you flagkilled if made about other professions or degrees. Some of us actually have tech/coding backgrounds and aren’t the stereotypical pointy-headed-bosses,…

If it helps, all those MBA-bashing cool tech startups busy giving away a percentage of their revenue to Amazon, don't realise that AWS was the brain-child of a Harvard MBA.

Jassy didn't propose, code, or solely invent AWS in any way.

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Post by joshAg »

joshstrange wrote: post #67
Pasorrijer wrote: post #48

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Oh man, this. I remember I worked at a major defence contractor, and we absolutely bombed, like failed through the floor an employee satisfaction survey. And when the VP finally sat down with people they expressed how shitty the computers had gotten. And he's like wait a second. No one ever told me this. I can solve 90% of my morale problems by writing a cheque for like $200k?!? It was astounding how large the discon…

All my experiences around this have pounded into my brain that if I ever run my company or if I am an executive I will do everything in my power to make sure all the employees under me have the best tools to do their job. Labor is one of the most expensive costs, not empowering your employees to be the best they can be is just stupid and wasteful. My dad ran a software consulting company eons ago and he had a new pro…

Sometimes they do, but they just don't care that certain (or even all) employees are as productive as possible. They might even have a fancy graph showing how they're optimizing for some unit of productivity per unit of cost, so making employees more productive isn't worth it.

One of the best pieces of advice I got early in my career was "Whatever you end up doing, make sure the company sees you as a profit center rather than a cost center, because companies are much more free with their checkbooks to the people they think are directly responsible for making the company money," and though things aren't nearly that black and white, it's definitely been a good general principle.

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Post by akiselev »

stephencanon wrote: post #104
UncleOxidant wrote: post #81

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I've been approached by headhunters for contract work at Intel. They want all kinds of machine learning knowledge & experience and the pay is.... $45/hr. I kid you not. I just sort of laugh and tell them that that's about 1/3 of market rate for that kind of thing.

$45/hr is about what I was paid as a grad-student intern at Apple ... 15 years ago.

It's also about what a Mozilla intern would get paid ten years ago.

Re: New Intel CEO rehiring retired CPU architects

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Post by ignoramous »

reducesuffering wrote: post #126
ignoramous wrote: post #98

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If it helps, all those MBA-bashing cool tech startups busy giving away a percentage of their revenue to Amazon, don't realise that AWS was the brain-child of a Harvard MBA.

Jassy didn't propose, code, or solely invent AWS in any way.

You're right but Andy, for lack of a better word, willed AWS into existence: https://techcrunch.com/2016/07/02/andy-jassys-brief-history-...

That's gotta count for something.

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Post by PragmaticPulp »

langitbiru wrote: post #25
PragmaticPulp wrote: post #9

This is an encouraging move. My secondhand understanding was that Intel was losing top talent due to pressure to pay closer to median industry compensation. Top engineers recognized they were underpaid and left the company. I've been part of a similar downhill slide at a smaller company in the billion dollar revenue range. To be blunt, once the [mediocre] MBAs start realizing that the engineers are getting paid more…

Reading all comments grilling MBAs in HN is one of my guilty pleasures. I think I need to collect them all and put them in one place.

I hesitated to post that because it would be interpreted that way.

In the case I described, the issue was literally that having an MBA put you on a lower payscale than being a mid-tier engineer.

The problem was that we had several people who invested years of their lives and six figures into post-graduate MBA education with the expectation that it was a cheat code for moving them up to the top of the payscale. It was a shock to land in a company where that was not true at all, and furthermore that it was codified into the payscale.

Having an MBA is certainly not a negative signal like HN tends to suggest. The bigger issue is resistance to the modern dual-track career ladders. Many people still want the management title (or an MBA credential) to guarantee them higher compensation, and they're resistant to any system which doesn't match those expectations.

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