This is not a surprising outcome. Most institutions are trying to increase the % of women, not create a parity between genders.
The pandemic is speeding up the mass exodus of men from college
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#12With the combination of increasing economic equality between the sexes (young women actually earn more nowadays) and women’s rising expectations from online dating attention, I think it’s clear that we’re heading rapidly towards the normalization of polygamy. There’s just no incentive for women to ever “settle” anymore. I fear that this is going to end in civil unrest when so many young men are economically insecure and have no family of their own to give them ties to the local community.
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#13Why would you want to go to college, have huge debt and learn things (CS) that's avaliable on the internet for free? even courses from an actual edu institutions like mit, stanford and so on The only thing I think is knowning people from the industry and seeing what cool stuff other people do, but otherwise? I just graduated with engineering degree that I've done on weekends while working full time as SE and I'd neve…
The reason college has been so useful historically is because it works as a status signal. I don’t think employers seriously believe that a BA in history teaches useful skills for a menial office job (1 semester is probably enough), but that doesn’t stop it from being a good idea for the student. It could be similar in CS.
Anecdotally, the biggest benefit of a degree for me was just meeting others with similar goals. The meta knowledge about how to get a job, what skills I need, credibility when contacting recruiters, etc. along with the positive peer pressure from being around more successful students. These things are were all “unknown unknowns” before I started. My hometown has no tech industry.
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#14To summarize the article, women are now 50% more likely to enroll in college than men. For those interested in the longer term trends, here is a pew report on the subject up to 2010 [1] The post article brings up the point of financial expectations, but I wonder what other factors could might be changing for young men. Alternatively, what factors ARE changing for women, and are not changing for men, specifically mino…
Ctrl+F on the words stem, math, science, engineering, major, humanities gives no results or clue about the type of major people are choosing. Considering that it refers to the gender differences when it comes to seeing the value in it (and even including race), Why did they not include the type of major people go to college for? Maybe since I'm not american it would be more natural for me to include that, but if someone puts that much emphasis on the 'input' (gender, race) why not consider the 'output' (stem, humanities)?
Re: The pandemic is speeding up the mass exodus of men from college
#15Why would you want to go to college, have huge debt and learn things (CS) that's avaliable on the internet for free? even courses from an actual edu institutions like mit, stanford and so on The only thing I think is knowning people from the industry and seeing what cool stuff other people do, but otherwise? I just graduated with engineering degree that I've done on weekends while working full time as SE and I'd neve…
Sometimes I wonder how good Michael Phelps would be without the swimming program and the mentors he had along the way. I think there is alot of refinement that comes from difficult programs built by top educators/researchers in afield over a ling time. Now, the gap between a University of Michigan and Carnegie Mellon may not be massive, but completing either of these long 4 year marathons for a B.S. will refine you in a way that for the vast majority of people, self study will not Even then, those who can self study right out of high school, who are these people? How do they have the discipline, the study skills, the vision to complete that gauntlet alone, at 18, without a group of peers and people to learn from. These individuals likely had a great home and k-12 education. Its a monumental task even for the most brilliant of us. Those who could do it, already have incredible discipline, drive, intelligence and clarity for their age and probably should be getting a scholarship somewhere (if not for personality and learning disabilities that make conventionally structured schooling difficult for them.
Then again, as someone who went through a B.S. in engineering, self taught themselves (after reaching out for mentorship of course) my next degree will focus on getting into an in person masters where creating deep networking connections with my cohort is the goal equal to the degree itself. I will say that I am struggling on when and where and how much should I be prepared to spend.
Its expensive, but most of the invaluable things in life are. And its very easy to ignore the large benefits of the connections and certifications if you arent part of the communities that are leveraging those assets to great advantages for themselves and their family.
Education, discipline and connections are the most valuable and risk resistant assets in life.
Re: The pandemic is speeding up the mass exodus of men from college
#16Why would you want to go to college, have huge debt and learn things (CS) that's avaliable on the internet for free? even courses from an actual edu institutions like mit, stanford and so on The only thing I think is knowning people from the industry and seeing what cool stuff other people do, but otherwise? I just graduated with engineering degree that I've done on weekends while working full time as SE and I'd neve…
Sometimes I wonder how good Michael Phelps would be without the swimming program and the mentors he had along the way. I think there is alot of refinement that comes from difficult programs built by top educators/researchers in afield over a ling time. Now, the gap between a University of Michigan and Carnegie Mellon may not be massive, but completing either of these long 4 year marathons for a B.S. will refine you i…
I like the parallel of Michael Phelps. It is relatively well known that Phelp’s unique physical proportions makes him physiologically advantaged in competitive swimming and yet to be an elite swimmer at the highest level he had coaches pointing out any minor inefficiency in his stroke mechanics.
There is no doubt that many individuals can learn most everything they need on the internet or with a library card, however there is a real advantage to receiving feedback and having an expert to help guide your education. When I was in graduate school I was exposed to areas of study I would have ignored or glossed over. Areas that I thought I knew enough about and understood, but was actually woefully ignorant of.
Re: The pandemic is speeding up the mass exodus of men from college
#17Why would you want to go to college, have huge debt and learn things (CS) that's avaliable on the internet for free? even courses from an actual edu institutions like mit, stanford and so on The only thing I think is knowning people from the industry and seeing what cool stuff other people do, but otherwise? I just graduated with engineering degree that I've done on weekends while working full time as SE and I'd neve…
Until employers think that way, the only people getting hired don't think that way. Until the people getting hired think that way, employers won't think that way.
Hiring is hard.
Graduating from college is a clear indicator that someone was able to at least commit and follow through with something and should have at minimal basic knowledge in a given area.
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#18With the combination of increasing economic equality between the sexes (young women actually earn more nowadays) and women’s rising expectations from online dating attention, I think it’s clear that we’re heading rapidly towards the normalization of polygamy. There’s just no incentive for women to ever “settle” anymore. I fear that this is going to end in civil unrest when so many young men are economically insecure…
I don't expect "one husband, multiple wives" style polygamy, but a de-facto "stud" or "babydaddy" system might come about.
At the socioeconomic high end that could involve intermediation by sperm banks; it could even be a standard part of your corporate benefits package. More commodification. Women select donors on the basis of style-setting op-ed pieces. "Autists" somewhere on the Internet figure out how to get rich by shorting futures contracts for celebrity semen.
It is also worth remarking that a surprising percentage of women now have never had a sexual experience, even at a surprisingly late age. You could call it a kind of accidental capitalist monasticism, with "startup accelerator" as nunnery (all wrapped in the language of empowerment of course, same as in Xinjiang). With effective branding, commercial sperm could give them the option, as they start to get older, to produce children without having to (belatedly learn how to) form relationships.
This would then also create a market for child care apps, and for nannies to work in the colorful facilities.
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#19I think there is a big open space for a new kind of institution for higher learning: Shorter, more focused careers, no SJW bullshit, no expensive administrators overhead, partially or completely online, open to a worldwide population. I am aware things like CC and technical schools exists but there is a probably undeserved stigma that they are 'inferior', we need this as a solid,widely respected alternative.
Re: The pandemic is speeding up the mass exodus of men from college
#20To summarize the article, women are now 50% more likely to enroll in college than men. For those interested in the longer term trends, here is a pew report on the subject up to 2010 [1] The post article brings up the point of financial expectations, but I wonder what other factors could might be changing for young men. Alternatively, what factors ARE changing for women, and are not changing for men, specifically mino…
Ctrl+F on the words stem, math, science, engineering, major, humanities gives no results or clue about the type of major people are choosing. Considering that it refers to the gender differences when it comes to seeing the value in it (and even including race), Why did they not include the type of major people go to college for? Maybe since I'm not american it would be more natural for me to include that, but if some…
This link might be a good starting point.
https://www.amacad.org/humanities-indicators/higher-educatio...
Women more or less dominate almost every field, sometimes to an incredible amount. Only engineering is heavily male dominated, with slight male leads in business, philosophy, history, and religion. But they are a majority in everything else otherwise, sometimes even more than men in engineering.
I'd argue that this is the problem. There has been a weird conservatism about education, with "men are from mars and must go to STEM (but we want girls too) and humanities as well as everything else is for venus." The whole "durr hurr basket weaving major" posturing has kind of dissuaded men who aren't into STEM (and there are a LOT of them, the stereotype that all men are STEM or greasemonkey types is one of the most obnoxious ones out there) to probably not go into those fields.