The time-travel paradox arises only if you presuppose the existence of free will: if we don't, and just consider human beings as physical objects acting deterministically, then there can be no paradox: the time traveler will simply do what was already had been done in his past.
Ah yes, can you change the past or was there a time traveler version of you running around failing to change things the whole time? See season 5 of Lost for endless discussion on this point. You also can avoid paradoxes if it turns out that time travel just puts you on an alternate timeline. There's a different paradox with this version of time travel though. Suppose I'm a kid and future-Me comes back and tells me a…
Paradox-free time travel is theoretically possible
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#102Earlier quoted context omitted.
I could see how a universe with such rules could exist. But is it our universe? In the universe you describe, wouldn't we already have seen time travellers from the future? The only explanation I can think of for why we haven't seen any, if we live in such a universe, is that we need to build an "arrivals hall" first, and that as soon we manage to do that, people from all over start popping in for a visit.
I can’t see how a universe like that could exist. Perhaps if some time-traveler was unlucky, their gun might jam, but I can’t figure out how you could successfully thwart a “well-prepared time traveler” who knows all the details of the situation they’re jumping into and has double-checked their gun after making the jump.
A gun merely jamming solves nothing.
Either the time traveler was there "the first time around" or he must be stopped from going back somehow. Because the first and the second time around must be exactly identical.
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#103Time travel violates the law of conservation of energy. By travelling back in time, you yourself are injecting more mass/energy into a system. So it's great as a science fiction trope, but if you're going to talk physics, that needs to be addressed.
when you move to a different timeline, you are moving mass from a timeline to another timeline, so total mass in multi verse remains the same
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#104The time-travel paradox arises only if you presuppose the existence of free will: if we don't, and just consider human beings as physical objects acting deterministically, then there can be no paradox: the time traveler will simply do what was already had been done in his past.
https://www.frontiersin.org/articles/10.3389/fphy.2020.00139...
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#105Earlier quoted context omitted.
Third law of the thermodynamics has to be false for that to be possible. It is still a paradox.
Would you mind expanding on that?
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#106Would you be aware of some force stopping you from performing an action that would change your motivation to time travel in the first place? For example, if you tried to walk up to yourself in the past, would it feel like some force field stopping you? Or will it be false sense of agency, where you suddenly make the decision not to do something? Or will some event happen to simply kill you? Or will you suddenly vanish from this timeline to live out a life you over-wise would have based on the consequences of your actions?
If we are a result of a series of tiny influences from our environment, will the entire past refuse to be changed? Or will you be able to live out a version of a timeline where a different set of tiny influences add up to the same future where you make the same actions? As a result, does that also limit what you are actually able to do in the past without changing so much that one of these alternative states is impossible?
If the past doesn't want to be changed, how about the future? Just because we perceive the clock running in one way, doesn't mean that it actually does. I would think that if the past must happen in some specific way, then the present will always occur and so will a specific future. Whilst we claim to experience free-will, we have so far not measured it. I guess this is really the idea that the quantum realm simply consists of hidden variables that are only perceived as 'random', rather than actually having any form of random element.
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#107This really got me thinking. Does anyone know of any great sci-fi stories centered around the lengths the universe goes to to prevent a curious time traveler from testing the grandfather paradox.
Oh, and his "The Merchant and the Alchemist's Gate" is a stylistically beautiful exploration of people intertwined through time travel.
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#108One thing I find curious is how different the models for time travel usually are.
In American media, it seems more often than not, time travel is modelled as if the past and the future are simultaneously existing parallel worlds, where the future is affected by the past in "real-time", e.g. Back to the Future's Marty gradually fading as the chances of his birth diminish, or Timeless's people in the future "watching" people arrive in the past and making sure their own team leaves "in time" to catch them.
These models don't really offer a solution to the grandfather paradox.
In anime however, time travel is near universally modelled with timelines, where time travel essentially creates a new parallel world each time. If you travel back in time and kill your grandfather, you simply create a timeline in which you were not born, but can continue to exist, because you are from a timeline where you were born.
I'm by no means suggesting that either model is unique to America/Japan (Rick and Morty for example uses the branching timeline model), I just find it interesting how they differ.
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#109I've never seen the past or future. Only physical things still or moving, combining with other things or not ... What we call 'the past' is a mental picture of where physical things used to be positioned and their condition. But everything in 'that now' has changed. Just as when we 'travel' in physical space, when we get 'back home' it has changed. If I were to 'time travel' I'd be gone from now. But everyone else wo…
How do you reconcile this idea with special relativity?
Re: Paradox-free time travel is theoretically possible
#110This really got me thinking. Does anyone know of any great sci-fi stories centered around the lengths the universe goes to to prevent a curious time traveler from testing the grandfather paradox.