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Re: Jack Ma makes first live appearance in three months in online meet

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Post by DanBC »

FooBarWidget wrote: post #300
DanBC wrote: post #296

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> We all know that the word 'concentration camp' is used to conjure up images of Nazis killing jews en masse. There's a really important point here about holocaust denial. We need to make sure that people understand some of the camps were extermination camps, and that some of the camps were work camps. This is because anti-Semitic conspiracy theorists will point to the work camps and say "See? No evidence of people b…

But I also reject the notion that there are forced labor camps. As I said via my sources, the evidence for forced labor is very dodgy. Ajit Singh: "‘Forced labor’ stories on China brought to you by US gov, NATO, arms industry to drive Cold War PR blitz" https://thegrayzone.com/2020/03/26/forced-labor-china-us-nat... Some people go to prison for being extremists. Some people go to mandatory reeducation for being extre…

> But I also reject the notion that there are forced labor camps.

You're wrong, there are, and this is well established.

> Some people go to prison for being extremists. Some people go to mandatory reeducation for being extremists

Let's look at this extremism. Here's what China says is extremist:

“His wife wore veils.”

“He has one more child than allowed by the family planning policy.”

“He prayed after each meal.”

https://www.hrw.org/report/2018/09/09/eradicating-ideologica...

Re: Jack Ma makes first live appearance in three months in online meet

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Post by DanBC »

FooBarWidget wrote: post #349
jeremysalwen wrote: post #341

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You can claim that you are not pro-CCCP, but when you reject the clear evidence provided by numerous well respected an neutral news organizations that hundreds of thousands of Muslims are being locked up in camps without committing a crime and without a trial, simply because thegrayzone.com calls it U.S. "propaganda", you are being pro-CCCP in your actions, regardless of what you proclaim. You need to understand,the…

> when you reject the clear evidence provided by numerous well respected an neutral news organizations that hundreds of thousands of Muslims are being locked up in camps without committing a crime and without a trial, simply because "well-respected and neutral news organizations"? Adrien Zenz publically admitted that the BBC paid him to write a bad report about Uyghurs! Again, watch the video and see the evidence. Wh…

> No, I don't support literal concentration camps

You do, you've been doing it all through this thread.

Re: Jack Ma makes first live appearance in three months in online meet

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Post by [deleted] »

DanBC wrote: post #352
FooBarWidget wrote: post #349

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> when you reject the clear evidence provided by numerous well respected an neutral news organizations that hundreds of thousands of Muslims are being locked up in camps without committing a crime and without a trial, simply because "well-respected and neutral news organizations"? Adrien Zenz publically admitted that the BBC paid him to write a bad report about Uyghurs! Again, watch the video and see the evidence. Wh…

> No, I don't support literal concentration camps You do, you've been doing it all through this thread.

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Re: Jack Ma makes first live appearance in three months in online meet

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Post by FooBarWidget »

DanBC wrote: post #352
FooBarWidget wrote: post #349

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> when you reject the clear evidence provided by numerous well respected an neutral news organizations that hundreds of thousands of Muslims are being locked up in camps without committing a crime and without a trial, simply because "well-respected and neutral news organizations"? Adrien Zenz publically admitted that the BBC paid him to write a bad report about Uyghurs! Again, watch the video and see the evidence. Wh…

> No, I don't support literal concentration camps You do, you've been doing it all through this thread.

No, words have meaning, you don't get to turn the meanings to suit whatever you wish it is just because you don't want to accept another reality.

Going with that sort of attitude I can accuse you of supporting literal genocide and concentration camps, because you refuse to denounce the war on terror and the camps at the border.

Re: Jack Ma makes first live appearance in three months in online meet

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Post by FooBarWidget »

DanBC wrote: post #351
FooBarWidget wrote: post #300

Earlier quoted context omitted.

But I also reject the notion that there are forced labor camps. As I said via my sources, the evidence for forced labor is very dodgy. Ajit Singh: "‘Forced labor’ stories on China brought to you by US gov, NATO, arms industry to drive Cold War PR blitz" https://thegrayzone.com/2020/03/26/forced-labor-china-us-nat... Some people go to prison for being extremists. Some people go to mandatory reeducation for being extre…

> But I also reject the notion that there are forced labor camps. You're wrong, there are, and this is well established. > Some people go to prison for being extremists. Some people go to mandatory reeducation for being extremists Let's look at this extremism. Here's what China says is extremist: “His wife wore veils.” “He has one more child than allowed by the family planning policy.” “He prayed after each meal.” ht…

> You're wrong, there are, and this is well established.

You're wrong, you conveniently refuse to acknowledge the UN visit which said otherwise, and the muslim countries who testified otherwise. You conveniently ignore addressing the many other sources I cite that indicate otherwise. You are closing your eyes and supporting a false atrocity.

> Here's what China says is extremist:

I literally said that cases of wrong conviction exist and that I condemn wrong convictions. I literally said that I don't agree with their way of using too broad strokes. In your zeal to see nazis everywhere, you completely ignore everything I said that indicates otherwise.

While spending so much time accusing me, you still refuse to condemn the US war on terror and literal concentration camps at the US border. Now why's that?

Re: Jack Ma makes first live appearance in three months in online meet

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Post by TameAntelope »

xdavidliu wrote: post #345
TameAntelope wrote: post #265

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Where am I? Where is Bezos? What are the additional hypothetical details of this scenario? Do I know how to use a gun in this scenario (I do not IRL)? I've only met one billionaire, but he was definitely not guarded by anyone, and had I the inclination, skills, and firepower, I could have easily taken him at gunpoint. I don't accept the notion that Jack Ma is guarded 100% of the time, that's movie fiction.

> Anyone with a gun can hold anyone else, you don't need to be "powerful". > had I the inclination, skills, and firepower That's a very big "had I", and certainly not "anyone with a gun" as you said previously. Let me put it this way: suppose you're Bezos or Jack Ma and had access to unimaginable resources, comfort, and security from the best of the best. Surely it would be absolutely trivial to hire someone so that…

I hear you, I just don't think it's as common to hire a team of bodyguards as media portrays it to be, and yeah I generally do think the only reason Bezos remains safe is because nobody has earnestly tried, not because he's got some hyper-sophisticated security apparatus at his command (and even if he did, I still think it's largely theater, and a person who actually manages to get a gun in proximity of Bezos/any person generally won't have much of a problem using it at that point). People just aren't looking to kill one another, generally, even the more polarizing people.

But message received -- Jack Ma probably would have a team of bodyguards, and the people who could get past that probably wouldn't need to manipulate markets using his appearance on a conference call to make money.

I was wrong, I see that now!

Re: Jack Ma makes first live appearance in three months in online meet

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Post by john4532452 »

ConcreteGidget wrote: post #63

Does anyone have any book recommendations for non-chinese people to understand CCP power structures? I'm completely lost in all of this Jack Ma stuff.

Also how the 10 year term was removed. Seems like this is a core principle in the CCP party, but what events caused this to change. Was this planned from a long time or it the circumstances were right and it was grabbed.

Re: Jack Ma makes first live appearance in three months in online meet

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Post by al3xandre »

TameAntelope wrote: post #357
xdavidliu wrote: post #345

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Anyone with a gun can hold anyone else, you don't need to be "powerful". > had I the inclination, skills, and firepower That's a very big "had I", and certainly not "anyone with a gun" as you said previously. Let me put it this way: suppose you're Bezos or Jack Ma and had access to unimaginable resources, comfort, and security from the best of the best. Surely it would be absolutely trivial to hire someone so that…

I hear you, I just don't think it's as common to hire a team of bodyguards as media portrays it to be, and yeah I generally do think the only reason Bezos remains safe is because nobody has earnestly tried, not because he's got some hyper-sophisticated security apparatus at his command (and even if he did, I still think it's largely theater, and a person who actually manages to get a gun in proximity of Bezos/any per…

It is not so much about having a team of bodyguards 24/7 with you, but about having a security team in the back office that will oversee all the details of your schedule so that you just are not in a scenario where this is possible. (Eg no appearance at predictable place and time etc )

Re: Jack Ma makes first live appearance in three months in online meet

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Post by eunos »

spython wrote: post #193
sebmellen wrote: post #26

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Fair point, but his speech also seems forced, and the location is quite strange. If Bezos or Gates were to give an address like this, they'd have a great camera setup in their fancy home office with good lighting. For reference, take a look at Gates appearing on the Daily Show: https://youtube.com/watch?v=iyFT8qXcOrM . Ma looks the opposite here.

Also, look at his hands while he's talking. Doesn't seem like the hand gestures of a person feeling safe and confident in the moment of filming.

Huh, that's on pseudoscience territory.
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