The pandemic is speeding up the mass exodus of men from college
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The pandemic is speeding up the mass exodus of men from college
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#2To summarize the article, women are now 50% more likely to enroll in college than men. For those interested in the longer term trends, here is a pew report on the subject up to 2010 [1]
The post article brings up the point of financial expectations, but I wonder what other factors could might be changing for young men. Alternatively, what factors ARE changing for women, and are not changing for men, specifically minority men.
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Re: The pandemic is speeding up the mass exodus of men from college
#3> While enrollment in higher education overall fell 2.5 percent in the fall, or by more than 461,000 students compared to the fall of 2019, the decline among men was more than seven times as steep as the decline among women, according to an analysis of figures from the National Student Clearinghouse Research Center.
7x is a big multiple. The article offers some explanations but not enough to get me past the “wow” response. The bigger picture is just that the 60/40 split between college educations has flipped to favour women now, and was the opposite a decade ago, but the short term 7x is still crazy
Re: The pandemic is speeding up the mass exodus of men from college
#4To summarize the article, women are now 50% more likely to enroll in college than men. For those interested in the longer term trends, here is a pew report on the subject up to 2010 [1] The post article brings up the point of financial expectations, but I wonder what other factors could might be changing for young men. Alternatively, what factors ARE changing for women, and are not changing for men, specifically mino…
At the very least we need to see enrollment rates per social class and college type. It's very likely the article makes news out of a mundane thing that boils down to a new counting scheme.
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#5>"His male classmates “don’t think they’re smart enough” for college, Adon says. “They doubt themselves a little bit because of their life and what they’ve been through and what they’ve been seen as.”
That part of it is sad. Lots of guys haven't really had a shot at finding out what they're capable until life shows them otherwise. My bro-in-law was like that. Graduated from a crappy, unchallenging high-school in the sticks.
He was about 30, and a highly-skilled mechanic with several kids, when he decided to give it a shot. Spent about a half-year at a community college doing remedial math and writing, then applied at a University. Four years later he was handed a degree in chemistry, with honors. As he would say, "Not too shabby."
Re: The pandemic is speeding up the mass exodus of men from college
#6Why would you want to go to college, have huge debt and learn things (CS) that's avaliable on the internet for free? even courses from an actual edu institutions like mit, stanford and so on
The only thing I think is knowning people from the industry and seeing what cool stuff other people do, but otherwise?
I just graduated with engineering degree that I've done on weekends while working full time as SE and I'd never want to go on normal schelude (where I attend college on work days instead of 4days/month) because it'd be straight up waste of the time, but when they'd additionally require me to pay tens of thousands of usd for this, then holy shit.
The difference would be when it would be top country CS like top1, top2, top3, top(1+some), but below that?
What's the point of paying mad cash for basics of CS? just for the title? just for the diploma?
I don't believe that not obtaining higher edu is a good choice, but there's so many things that sounds poor about it.
Re: The pandemic is speeding up the mass exodus of men from college
#7Why would you want to go to college, have huge debt and learn things (CS) that's avaliable on the internet for free? even courses from an actual edu institutions like mit, stanford and so on The only thing I think is knowning people from the industry and seeing what cool stuff other people do, but otherwise? I just graduated with engineering degree that I've done on weekends while working full time as SE and I'd neve…
> What's the point of paying mad cash for basics of CS? just for the title? just for the diploma?
Mostly Yes. Free education has existed for a very long time through libraries and book shops, and yet the effect to get more women into high paying jobs was significant smaller compared to the mass of men who went into college and universities.
The second major effect of getting diplomas and titles is the perception of investing into that person future. A parent who invest into their child will also push that child into getting a job. Society and culture also put down expectations that a person who studied and heavily invested into a title will also end up with such job rather than settle for less.
Re: The pandemic is speeding up the mass exodus of men from college
#8Why would you want to go to college, have huge debt and learn things (CS) that's avaliable on the internet for free? even courses from an actual edu institutions like mit, stanford and so on The only thing I think is knowning people from the industry and seeing what cool stuff other people do, but otherwise? I just graduated with engineering degree that I've done on weekends while working full time as SE and I'd neve…
Until employers think that way, the only people getting hired don't think that way.
Until the people getting hired think that way, employers won't think that way.
Re: The pandemic is speeding up the mass exodus of men from college
#9Why would you want to go to college, have huge debt and learn things (CS) that's avaliable on the internet for free? even courses from an actual edu institutions like mit, stanford and so on The only thing I think is knowning people from the industry and seeing what cool stuff other people do, but otherwise? I just graduated with engineering degree that I've done on weekends while working full time as SE and I'd neve…
> What's the point of paying mad cash for basics of CS? just for the title? just for the diploma? Mostly Yes. Free education has existed for a very long time through libraries and book shops, and yet the effect to get more women into high paying jobs was significant smaller compared to the mass of men who went into college and universities. The second major effect of getting diplomas and titles is the perception of i…
I agree that actual educational institutions make a difference and that also explains some/much of the unbalance few decades ago. However women are also different than men and that is also reflected in the commitment and interests. So we still see the "gender pay gap", which does not show unfairness in the system, but that women are still fewer in higher paying jobs without the restrictions to higher education of yesteryear.
Re: The pandemic is speeding up the mass exodus of men from college
#10To summarize the article, women are now 50% more likely to enroll in college than men. For those interested in the longer term trends, here is a pew report on the subject up to 2010 [1] The post article brings up the point of financial expectations, but I wonder what other factors could might be changing for young men. Alternatively, what factors ARE changing for women, and are not changing for men, specifically mino…
At the very least we need to see enrollment rates per social class and college type. It's very likely the article makes news out of a mundane thing that boils down to a new counting scheme.
I'm curious what makes you confident that it's a non-issue and just related to how we count things. I've heard many reports over the past 10 years or so that women are going to college at a higher rate than men. Anecdotally, my graduating class was almost 60% female over a decade ago.