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Re: Linux Running on Apple M1

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marcan, who is working on AsahiLinux, is streaming at this time of writing and just got the framebuffer working, this is one of the most interesting live-code-streams I have seen. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GxnWuXgj3JI

saving this for later. this is where the rubber meets the road. super interested in seeing the workstream these super-techncially-skilled devs use

Re: Linux Running on Apple M1

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The more spiciness and completive things are the better the overall results. We all like to think that collaboration, harmony and love drives innovation but much of innovation is built around intense rivalry and competition as well. Don't be idealistic to a fault, much of the qualities we view as petty exist because they passed millions of years of natural selection. Those who compete, thrive. Winner takes all.

I take it that you are wholly unfamiliar with the jailbreaking scene?

^ Precisely what I was thinking of. Some friendly competition is absolutely fine, but when it gets toxic, it drives out talented people!

These things can escalate surprisingly quickly, so you really need to be careful. I've watched it happen.

Re: Linux Running on Apple M1

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Competition is fine, but the "spiciness" was really just drama+pettiness on both sides :/ I'm hoping they're both past that now, as they should know better, but having two competing projects unable to assume good faith from each other is generally not healthy at all.

Haven't followed this at all so I have no idea how far I'm off, but I could easily imagine that the type of person who dives deep to take on the M1 Linux challenge is exactly the kind of person who could enjoy, after noticing another team taking on the same project, to celebrate each other by not only agreeing to disagree, but agreeing to disagree * with all the drama they can muster*. "Hey, you're cool, let's public…

Publicly slinging mud to cause drama is childish, not "agreeing to disagree".

Re: Linux Running on Apple M1

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It is not.

The patch submission is from Marcan who started asahi. This (HN) post links to a tweet from the CTO of corellium.

Hello,

marcan is CCed on that set of patches as a courtesy, and he can help with figuring out better approaches before it's merged. Because it's set in stone forever after that.

- someone

Re: Linux Running on Apple M1

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The more spiciness and completive things are the better the overall results. We all like to think that collaboration, harmony and love drives innovation but much of innovation is built around intense rivalry and competition as well. Don't be idealistic to a fault, much of the qualities we view as petty exist because they passed millions of years of natural selection. Those who compete, thrive. Winner takes all.

I take it that you are wholly unfamiliar with the jailbreaking scene?

I'm familiar. The jail breaking scene and other examples are one offs though. You just need to take a holistic view of life and civilization to know how critical competition is to success.

All of society and the development of capitalism to evolutionary biology is founded on competition. Competition is, in fact, the primary success story and collaboration is the side story. Citing the failure of one community discounts the view of the entire world. Competition works, and it works better than collaboration. See communism if you want an example about a community founded on collaboration as the primary driver.

Re: Linux Running on Apple M1

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Linux might run, but good luck with the drivers. And good luck with it keeping working with future upgrades of both, hardware and software. Heck, even today it is pretty difficult to get things working reliably unless it is a thinkpad or some other Linux friendly brand. A Mac with subpar support for a webcam, energy saving, suspend/resume, the trackpad, brightness/volume controls, etc is not a laptop, it's an expensi…

The first week that XNU ran on ARM, it didn't have very good hardware support either.

Apple has all the documentation needed to write drivers for all the custom hardware found in an iPhone (the original XNU-on-ARM device) or in an M1 Mac. The Asahi volunteers and Corellium don’t, they will need to do much more work, including reverse-engineering. So, what’s your point?

Re: Linux Running on Apple M1

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Linux might run, but good luck with the drivers. And good luck with it keeping working with future upgrades of both, hardware and software. Heck, even today it is pretty difficult to get things working reliably unless it is a thinkpad or some other Linux friendly brand. A Mac with subpar support for a webcam, energy saving, suspend/resume, the trackpad, brightness/volume controls, etc is not a laptop, it's an expensi…

On the contrary, this could be fantastic for a headless server running on an M1 Mini to build and test ARM code before deploying to AWS Graviton. It doesn't all have to be about laptops.

While a valid use case, it feels like overkill. There are much less expensive and more stable ways to accomplish this.

Re: Linux Running on Apple M1

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post #174

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The patch submission is from Marcan who started asahi. This (HN) post links to a tweet from the CTO of corellium.

Hello, marcan is CCed on that set of patches as a courtesy, and he can help with figuring out better approaches before it's merged. Because it's set in stone forever after that. - someone

You're right! I should've paid more attention to the headers. Still, this is only very basic support for the CPU. Much more work is needed.

Re: Linux Running on Apple M1

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post #84

Linux might run, but good luck with the drivers. And good luck with it keeping working with future upgrades of both, hardware and software. Heck, even today it is pretty difficult to get things working reliably unless it is a thinkpad or some other Linux friendly brand. A Mac with subpar support for a webcam, energy saving, suspend/resume, the trackpad, brightness/volume controls, etc is not a laptop, it's an expensi…

Yeah, other than an experimental exercises I don't get why anyone would ever want to do this. You will spend WAY more money for the Apple hardware, you will struggle to get things to stay consistent. If your goal is to run linux then don't buy a Mac.

If you care about display, trackpad, and battery life, the M1 macs blow everything else out of the water, and for pretty cheap.

Re: Linux Running on Apple M1

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The thing is, many more people are using Windows, than Macs and many more people are using Macs, than desktop Linuxes. So your anecdata goes against a mountain of anecdata from people using those platforms.

The thing is, many more people are using phone and tablets, than Windows and many more people are using Windows, than Macs and many more people are using Macs, than desktop Linuxes and many more people are using desktop Linuxes, than desktop BSDs. So the anecdata goes against your mountain of anecdata that goes against a world of anecdata from people using those platforms.

There is no choice in OS for mobile. Its strictly tied to the hardware so I don't see how that could show any kind of user preference without being dominated by hardware preference.
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