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You're absolutely right, trading pardons for cash would be completely out of character for the previous administration. Anthony Levandowski's conviction was obviously a miscarriage of justice and its a good thing it was corrected at the very last minute.
Your response shows the effect of the mainstream media which intentionally denied all the positive things Trump and his administration has done to the country.
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I voted for Trump because his policies more closely align with my beliefs than any other candidate on my ballot. I am very disappointed in his response to the election results after it was clear there wasn't proof of enough fraud to change the result, and I'm very disappointed in the pardons.
Please stop down voting posts like this. If we want HN to remain a welcome space for civil discourse for everyone, we need to respect other people's candid statements. Remember, Trump won 47% of the popular vote which likely includes a large number of HNers. We should not alienate those people.
There was literally no good reason to vote for Trump regardless of views (to be fair op didn't say he voted for Trump)
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Please stop down voting posts like this. If we want HN to remain a welcome space for civil discourse for everyone, we need to respect other people's candid statements. Remember, Trump won 47% of the popular vote which likely includes a large number of HNers. We should not alienate those people.
People who hold reprehensible ideas or support those who do, should be held to task, no matter how many of them there are.
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I can say similar things about many of the Obama pardons, but I'll get downvoted into oblivion if I do so. Pardon is by definition an admission of guilt, and Levandowski has already paid a steep price for what he did.
You may be correct, but complaining that you will be down voted often leads to additional downvotes.
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They're not justifying it. Thiel was a big supporter of Trump and lobbied to get Levandowski a pardon, so Trump is returning the favor.
What's Thiel getting out of it though? How does pardoning Levandowski help him?
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-08-24/thiel-bac...
Dumb question, if Levandowski used the (allegedly) purloined IP at a new employer, could he be charged with a new crime or would he be clear to proceed under double jeopardy?
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#747It's important to note the reason the President has the power to pardon anyone for any reason is it's one of the checks and balances, the Constitution is full of them. It's meant as a check to blunt overzealous prosecutions. Note that the President does not have the corresponding power to convict anyone. An interesting set of pardons was when Andrew Johnson pardoned all the rebels in the Confederacy, including Jeffer…
Sorry to break it to you, but as with many things in the US constitution, the reason the President can pardon people is because it's a modified copy of the British constitutional system of the time. The House is Parliament, the Senate is the House of Lords, and the president can pardon people because King George III could and the office of the presidency is a limited term elected kingship. Executive orders are Royal…
When forming the government the founders didn't just blindly copy British government. There was a lot of debate over what to keep and what to omit (For example, we don't have a king. Presidents were seen as servants not as rulers).
Pardon power is mostly a direct copy of British pardon power. However, there was a reason for that beyond not getting around to reform.
It should also be noted that presidential pardon power, while very powerful, isn't unlimited. The president can only pardon federal crimes, they cannot pardon state crimes. That's an important break from British law where royalty had(?) unlimited power to pardon any crime. Particularly when pardon power was first envisioned, the founders looked towards a very small federal government. In that case, the number of federal crimes were far fewer than what we have today. That means, the presidents pardon power was pretty much only for crimes such as treason.
In other words, absolutely the founders were influenced by British government. They weren't, however, just blindly copying things. Everything went through debate.
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Your response shows the effect of the mainstream media which intentionally denied all the positive things Trump and his administration has done to the country.
I don't what form of media you consume that would cause you to dismiss an entire profession as liars for political gain.
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Have you heard of Jimmy Carter?
Would this be an example of the exception proving the rule? It still seems like an accident of history that Americans sent Jimmy Carter to the highest office in the land. For as much as they claim to want a regular Joe/Joe-ette as President (the mirage of the unpretentious 'I can have a beer with him' candidate) they seem to vote for people that are the polar opposite.
Before they passed a presidential pension bill Truman was basically broke, living of his army pension
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I never went as far as saying the the USA is not a democracy but you did. Goes far behind my point, but that was the direction. Saying that the president is not a president of the people when people literally vote directly for that person (unlike most of the wester republics) is frankly pretty weak. How can you argue he is not the most influencial political figure in a US citizen life?
The citizens don't vote directly for the president, the electoral college does. Usually the distinction doesn't matter but it does affect outcomes. States have different rules in how their electors vote for the president. Some states have tied their electoral votes to the national popular vote in the name of increases democracy. It will be interesting to see the first state that has its electoral votes changed due to…
For all practical purposes though, people vote directly for the president (last election is the proof that even a full front effort won't sway the election outcome from the people's votes). The only practical difference is that one single vote has a different weight depending on what state you live in.
Rural areas are incredibly over-represented imo. This should be addressed more than the tiny details that don't really change the outcome.
Just imagine how different the left and right parties would be if the will of the people would be equally represented.