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Re: China wants to build an open source ecosystem to rival GitHub

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The simple reason - you don't trust the host to keep your content up if it infringe's on anything deem it to infringe upon. 100% would never host anything up there.

Do you trust AWS? Azure? If you fear the state, the risk is the same. You can for example mirror your gitlab repository there. I think you are being to radical.

Way more than I trust the CCP. Not even on the same scale of trustworthiness.

Re: China wants to build an open source ecosystem to rival GitHub

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wow. they even copied the contribution map. Is it also cloning github repos and hosting on gitee? Why does US gov put up with this crazy wholesale censorship and copying?

Code on github is open source, so copying is supposed to and expected to occur. The copyrights of the various projects on github are held by their respective authors, not by the US government. These authors have chosen to permit and encourage copying of their code. Many of these authors are not even American citizens or residents.

> Code on github is open source

Not all of it. A lot of code is uploaded without specifying a license, in which case the only granted rights are those required by the github terms of service. I don't remember the details, but think the ToS mainly allowed downloads and forking on github.

Re: China wants to build an open source ecosystem to rival GitHub

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flamebait, that is a great word mashup that conveys a lot. Clickbait for starting a comment flamewar, never saw that one before. Gonna keep an eye out for these things with this lens.

I'm pretty sure the word flamebait predates clickbait.

Here's an early use of the word "flamebait" in rec.autos.tech (Usenet) in 1995:

https://groups.google.com/g/rec.autos.tech/c/1WGLn35Et70/m/b...

Re: China wants to build an open source ecosystem to rival GitHub

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China's newfound prosperity is HEAVILY concentrated in ~100 huge cities. Smaller cities are poorer but livable like eastern europe. The countryside is basically a third world country. Traveling through US or Europe you won't find people living in cinderblock shacks with a dirt floor and no plumbing. In China it's still the norm outside of cities. There's not anybody starving to death, but I wouldn't consider China a…

So it's just like the US but they don't outsource the third world and don't let them starve

Nobody in the US is starving. It's just not possible. The government will give you $200 a month for food and there's free meals for the poor in every major city.

I've never met a homeless person that was starving and many of them turn down free food because they don't need it.

As far as outsourcing, look what China is doing in Africa. Plenty of outsourcing in appalling conditions

Re: China wants to build an open source ecosystem to rival GitHub

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Probably very long. Given the success of the Chinese ecosystem compared to other regions on the globe, including a lot of democratic countries without significant limits on expression, it doesn't seem to be very important. The first answer is that innovation can be channelled towards military or surveillance technology instead. The government has no problem with research into facial recognition, enterprise software,…

Discussions about the first amendment often elide its true purpose, keeping the government honest. One way that a lack of free speech can hurt a country is that smarter individuals are more likely to get arrested due to their greater innate capability to come up with novel-to-them ideas, some of which are "booby trapped" and get their originators arrested. However, the consequences of it being illegal to make practic…

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Re: China wants to build an open source ecosystem to rival GitHub

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The problem is that this organic startup is now a enterprise behemoth that can be trusted as much as CCP: Microsoft.

> The problem is that this organic startup is now a enterprise behemoth that can be trusted as much as CCP: Microsoft. Remind me again when MS killed millions of people and committed genocide? I mean, Windows is horrible, but this is a bit much. I apologize for the snark (I really don't think it's a good way to communicate) but this is a shockingly bad opinion. Comparing a bad company to a totalitarian regime that ro…

Both of them can't be trusted the same way, at least if you are not American. If you are american ok, you have a government similar to CCP to defend you. Me? my government "willingly" shutdown open source projects to use Microsoft services. CCP never did something similar, so yeah, Microsoft can be worse than CCP in many ways.

Re: China wants to build an open source ecosystem to rival GitHub

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I'm pretty sure the word flamebait predates clickbait.

Here's an early use of the word "flamebait" in rec.autos.tech (Usenet) in 1995: https://groups.google.com/g/rec.autos.tech/c/1WGLn35Et70/m/b...

Google books finds earlier results: It's defined in the 1994 books Information Superhighway illustrated and Net Talk.

Re: China wants to build an open source ecosystem to rival GitHub

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I assume it also has just as much to do with Microsoft buying it. See also: skype. Not just because they don't want Chinese code stored on foreign servers, but because they want it on servers they have easy access to. Even if this is far-fetched, it's not about what we think, but the risk China perceives.

Microsoft / Bing is allowed in China.

Flip the perception: In China, US govt doesn't have MS levels of access to info, potentially including protected user data & non-public hosting /admin data.

Even if that's not the case, being in China avoids (most?) NSA choke points.

Re: China wants to build an open source ecosystem to rival GitHub

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> It really isn't much to ask for. If you're making arguments based on really really shaky data you should not be making them at all. Can you demonstrate your principles with your other comment [0], by using “a single source that contains the numbers” of many of the countries and claims you mentioned in that comment? [0] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=25840962

I asked for either a single source or many sources with an identical methodology.

Funny how you asked others to “use a single source that contains the numbers”, and yet you make arguments without providing any sources, as you did in your other comment I linked above.

How do we know your arguments aren’t “based on really really shaky data”?

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