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Anthony Levandowski Pardoned

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Post by noisy_boy »

devmunchies wrote: post #572
noisy_boy wrote: post #566

Whats up with sprinkling of "xyz is an upstanding citizen and father to n beautiful children." ? They are clearly not an upstanding citizen - otherwise they wouldn't require a presidential pardon. Being father to children is not an achievement and any two consenting healthy adult man and woman can produce them irrespective of their standing in society. And beauty of children is a criteria for pardon now? What if the…

>They are clearly not an upstanding citizen - otherwise they wouldn't require a presidential pardon so snowden isn't an upstanding citizen either? law abiding citizen != upstanding citizen

Good point - I stand corrected on that front.

Re: Anthony Levandowski Pardoned

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Post by randylahey »

fny wrote: post #539
throwaway876765 wrote: post #481

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I voted for Trump because his policies more closely align with my beliefs than any other candidate on my ballot. I am very disappointed in his response to the election results after it was clear there wasn't proof of enough fraud to change the result, and I'm very disappointed in the pardons.

Please stop down voting posts like this. If we want HN to remain a welcome space for civil discourse for everyone, we need to respect other people's candid statements. Remember, Trump won 47% of the popular vote which likely includes a large number of HNers. We should not alienate those people.

People who hold reprehensible ideas or support those who do, should be held to task, no matter how many of them there are.

Re: Anthony Levandowski Pardoned

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Post by lokar »

boringg wrote: post #547

Paid a lot of money for that pardon I reckon even though he was clearly a criminal. The trump admin is such a sham. So glad that they are out of power - hopefully forever for the sake of the Us.

I read some reporting that the going rate was only $20k, 10 up front and 10 after.

Re: Anthony Levandowski Pardoned

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Post by ardy42 »

angry_octet wrote: post #556
mamon wrote: post #507

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Exactly! And the best thing is that, unlike most European countries, executive and legislative branches are actually elected in separate elections. European system with Prime Minister being elected by Parliament is pathological, because it does not provide full separation.

Hello deadlock! Come on down!

> Hello deadlock! Come on down!

Deadlock is not the worst thing, and the solution to it is not necessarily to remove as many locks as possible.

The actual problem in the US right now is that checks and balances are strong enough to allow one party to block things, but not strong enough to deter waiting until your party stochastically has enough power to get things done. This is exacerbated by having one party's ideologically committed to having the government do less.

In previous decades, stuff like earmarks greased the wheels enough to get things done (but an effective PR campaign against them got them banned). You could also fix deadlocks by strengthening the checks to force compromise among factions, like by coupling automatically expiring legislation with requirements for big super-majorities.

Re: Anthony Levandowski Pardoned

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Post by xpe »

fny wrote: post #539
throwaway876765 wrote: post #481

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I voted for Trump because his policies more closely align with my beliefs than any other candidate on my ballot. I am very disappointed in his response to the election results after it was clear there wasn't proof of enough fraud to change the result, and I'm very disappointed in the pardons.

Please stop down voting posts like this. If we want HN to remain a welcome space for civil discourse for everyone, we need to respect other people's candid statements. Remember, Trump won 47% of the popular vote which likely includes a large number of HNers. We should not alienate those people.

I agree.

But how do we get there?

In my view, until Hacker News has a mechanism to capture different kinds of feedback; e.g.:

1. comment is well-written (even if I disagree)

2. comment is civil (even if not well-written and/or I disagree)

we're going to have "lump all, some, or none of these factors together" voting.

Re: Anthony Levandowski Pardoned

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Post by 2OEH8eoCRo0 »

fleshdaddy wrote: post #577
lastofthemojito wrote: post #555

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> As long as they act in good faith and reasonably, they should be protected. I agree 100%.

You realize Snowden didn’t just dump all of these documents on a torrent site right? Given that he’s not a professional journalist and was risking his freedom he grabbed what he could and took it to reputable journalists to do the work of ensuring the leak doesn’t endanger others without a good reason. What else do you expect him to do? If he’d gone to a superior he’d be rotting in jail and we would have no evidence…

>If he’d gone to a superior he’d be rotting in jail and we would have no evidence of mass surveillance in this country.

Everyone says this but it's pure conjecture. We don't know what would have happened and now we never will.

Re: Anthony Levandowski Pardoned

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Post by jolmg »

ardy42 wrote: post #521
CyberRabbi wrote: post #413

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He pardoned a literal spy who was convicted of espionage of state secrets but he did not pardon Assange. Incredible.

> He pardoned a literal spy who was convicted of espionage of state secrets but he did not pardon Assange. Incredible. Assange and Snowden remain unpopular with Senate Republicans, and my understanding is that he was told pardoning them would hurt his chances of avoiding a Senate conviction in his second impeachment. He was also recently steered away from pardoning himself, his family, and some Republicans that may h…

> He was also recently steered away from pardoning himself

Is pardoning oneself legally possible?

EDIT: Seems possible but never tested.

> The Constitution provides little guidance on the issue of a potential presidential selfpardon. Only one sentence is dedicated to pardons: “The President . . . shall have Power to grant Reprieves and Pardons for Offences against the United States, except in Cases of Impeachment.” Looking to historical precedent and case law likewise provides no dispositive answer. No president has ever issued a self-pardon, and very few Supreme Court cases have addressed any aspect of the president’s pardon power.

-- https://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=3587921

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Post by [deleted] »

noisy_boy wrote: post #566

Whats up with sprinkling of "xyz is an upstanding citizen and father to n beautiful children." ? They are clearly not an upstanding citizen - otherwise they wouldn't require a presidential pardon. Being father to children is not an achievement and any two consenting healthy adult man and woman can produce them irrespective of their standing in society. And beauty of children is a criteria for pardon now? What if the…

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Post by [deleted] »

snakeboy wrote: post #160
kenneth wrote: post #80

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The "ok" hand sign isn't a white power sign just because some people have decided it to be. It's meant ok since as long as anyone can remember. I'm not willing to accept I can't say okay now because some liberal thinkers have decided that that's now become racist. People need to lighten up a bit and not make everything an affront.

In reality, these days -- along with most other so-called dog whistles it's quite effective in trolling reactionaries on the left. That's all. Everyone is in on the joke. If I'm Don Jr. or Charlie Kirk or whoever, my prerogative is to invoke liberal "tears" so yeah I'm gonna use all the dog whistle words like "thugs" and flash the OK symbol, because it scores them points with the right, multiplied by the amount of ou…

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