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Re: Linux Running on Apple M1

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Post by pantalaimon »

viraptor wrote: post #7

There's a bit of competition now going between asahi and corellium. While most of the spicy tweets have been removed, there's a summary https://twitter.com/AsahiLinux/status/1350547056679477250 Essentially, while this project may be quicker to get visible results, they may not be able to release all the code kosher for merging upstream. It will be interesting to see the next steps.

But patches have already been submitted upstream

https://lore.kernel.org/linux-arm-kernel/20210120132717.3958...

Re: Linux Running on Apple M1

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Post by pantalaimon »

dingaling wrote: post #61
saagarjha wrote: post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

A middle finger from Apple would be locking the bootloader–keeping it open, plus providing minimal tooling and telling people to figure it out, is about as close to "we'd love to see what you'll do with it" as Apple could possibly give. (Dealing with the GPU is going to be the majority of the work, I'd think.)

> "we'd love to see what you'll do with it" ...without the documentation that would help you. When Broadcom act like this they're considered villains and we're recommended to stay away from their hardware. But when Apple do it, they're being benevolent? And that's ignoring the fact that I could actually get Broadcom documentation in exchange for dollars and NDA.

Broadcom is selling hardware with the intention to run Linux on it, I guess that is the main difference.

Re: Linux Running on Apple M1

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Post by macNchz »

acomjean wrote: post #38

I understand there is a thing with trying to run Linux everywhere, and it’s a fun exercise. Even if Apple does do some open source support, Even if that hardware isn’t quite as nice, I prefer to buy/support hardware and vendors that support Linux at this point.

It’s also just a more enjoyable experience to run Linux on hardware that’s actually supported...I’ve been using Macs since I was a kid in 1993, and have at some point or another run Linux on each of them. It has pretty much always been easy to get up and running but frustrating to actually use. There is a wide chasm between “it runs” and “I want to use this every day”, usually involving sleep/wake issues, wifi problems or driver issues for other internal hardware (backlights, camera etc).

Perhaps the M1 is sufficiently compelling to muster the engineering resources needed to get every piece working nicely, we’ll see!

Re: Linux Running on Apple M1

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Post by xu_ituairo »

Geminidog wrote: post #63
gumby wrote: post #59

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think that's a bit zero sum. The world needs both to advance.

Obviously. When teams of people compete intensely , the collaboration within the teams themselves must be just as intense. I find it slightly offensive that someone would accuse me of discounting collaboration when 1. I never discounted it, 2. It's obvious that society is full of people who collaborate. In what universe are the words "zero sum" apt for my response? None. I never described a zero sum game. Obviously,…

> The more spiciness and completive things are the better the overall results.

That line made you sound all-in on zero sum competition. But you’ve clarified now and softened it to say it can lead to beneficial results.

Re: Linux Running on Apple M1

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Post by pantalaimon »

ficklepickle wrote: post #14
mprev wrote: post #5

I hadn't thought about Yellow Dog Linux in years until seeing this. Discontinued in 2012, which is understandable after Apple's switch to Intel.

For some reason it was the distro that ran best on the ps3, I seem to recall.

These days it would be T2

https://t2sde.org/

Re: Linux Running on Apple M1

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Post by wayneftw »

pantalaimon wrote: post #72
dingaling wrote: post #61

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> "we'd love to see what you'll do with it" ...without the documentation that would help you. When Broadcom act like this they're considered villains and we're recommended to stay away from their hardware. But when Apple do it, they're being benevolent? And that's ignoring the fact that I could actually get Broadcom documentation in exchange for dollars and NDA.

Broadcom is selling hardware with the intention to run Linux on it, I guess that is the main difference.

Apple unlocked the bootloader which is certainly signaling intent.

Re: Linux Running on Apple M1

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Post by captn3m0 »

Someone wrote: post #49
jcstryker wrote: post #12

Love to see the competition between the projects trying to get linux running on the m1. Though I think they will hit a wall trying to enable GPU support. I think opening up just enough to enable this effort also serves as some good nerd marketing for Apple. This race keeps the m1 in the news regularly, giving hope to those who want a low-power and performant ARM machine that wouldn't otherwise consider an apple machi…

I know it’s entering (dark?) gray territory, license wise, but has anybody ever attempted to wrap a Mac OS driver in a Linux compatibility layer?

marcan had answered it in one of the live streams - his opinion was that it was a last-ditch effort that shouldn't be required for most usecases.

Perhaps for some of the peripheral stuff (such as the touchbar), but the GPU ought not to need it.

Re: Linux Running on Apple M1

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Post by coding123 »

giomasce wrote: post #42
jcstryker wrote: post #12

Love to see the competition between the projects trying to get linux running on the m1. Though I think they will hit a wall trying to enable GPU support. I think opening up just enough to enable this effort also serves as some good nerd marketing for Apple. This race keeps the m1 in the news regularly, giving hope to those who want a low-power and performant ARM machine that wouldn't otherwise consider an apple machi…

Someone has begun digging the GPU. https://rosenzweig.io/blog/asahi-gpu-part-1.html

Ha nice, she expects to find an eldritch horror in there somewhere.

Re: Linux Running on Apple M1

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Post by [deleted] »

Geminidog wrote: post #63
gumby wrote: post #59

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think that's a bit zero sum. The world needs both to advance.

Obviously. When teams of people compete intensely , the collaboration within the teams themselves must be just as intense. I find it slightly offensive that someone would accuse me of discounting collaboration when 1. I never discounted it, 2. It's obvious that society is full of people who collaborate. In what universe are the words "zero sum" apt for my response? None. I never described a zero sum game. Obviously,…

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