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Re: Jack Ma makes first live appearance in three months in online meet

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Please don't break the site guidelines like this. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

Honestly though, don't you think that's a valid question - asking for qualitative responses? Notice how the user responded to you, as an authority, I hope you're aware of that power dynamic as well. I've also thought I'd love to see a Netflix style documentary of "a day in dang's life" to help us get to know you, to humanize you more + would be good marketing for HN and YCombinator. You're often very poetic in your r…

Perhaps you may enjoy https://www.newyorker.com/news/letter-from-silicon-valley/th....

Re: Jack Ma makes first live appearance in three months in online meet

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I think that from their several actions that China/CCP is not the best example of democracy and criticism acceptance So no I don't buy the retoric of misunderstood China > I am from China and I have family in China. So you're not behind the great firewall and don't need to contend with official internet censorship.

> It has been perfectly clear with the Chinese negligence around Covid Urgh, let me tell you some facts. On February 1 2020, I travelled from China (not Wuhan) back to the Netherlands, having aborted my holiday early. Wuhan was in lockdown for a week at that point, and my flight to the Netherlands was the very last one I could get. At that point, the WHO also declared global emergency. I arrived in Germany and the Ne…

You raise an important point. We see a lot of criticism of China on Covid despite them being at the forefront of the battlefield. On the other hand, large parts of the world reacted at a snail pace despite having a WHO warning. If we were to follow the same yardstick as China, the rest of the world won’t do well on it.

Re: Jack Ma makes first live appearance in three months in online meet

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Does anyone have any book recommendations for non-chinese people to understand CCP power structures? I'm completely lost in all of this Jack Ma stuff.

Not a book but a talk given at an internal government seminar by a China policy advisor to the Australian government and recommended by Bill Bishop, one of the bigger names in China related news. Talk given in 2017.

https://sinocism.com/p/engineers-of-the-soul-ideology-in

Re: Jack Ma makes first live appearance in three months in online meet

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How much more mental gymnastics do we need? I think it's time to accept that he WASN'T jailed rather than trying to forcefully shoehorn the facts into a 'but China still bad' narrative. The HN commentary went from 'Jack Ma is a national security threat' to 'Jack Ma is a poor victim of the CCP will will never be seen again' to 'this is fake, he is still jailed'. If he shows up someone else in person next time, will pe…

So... where's multi-billionaire Xiao Jianhua? After being abducted from the Four Seasons in Hong Kong by the CCP, he popped up to explain he was seeking medical treatment on the mainland (haha) three years ago , and nobody's heard from him since. Also laying low? Or do you think he's discovered a new love of mining rare earth minerals in Xinjiang? C'mon now, this isn't exactly some big exoneration one way or the othe…

Fan Bingbing has made multiple public appearances.

Re: Jack Ma makes first live appearance in three months in online meet

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Total bullshit. This is the CCP stepping on this man's throat.

It's certainly possible but the fact is that there's no evidence or indication one way or the other at this point.

Lately the close-mindedness in HN has become amazing... many here seems to be a China expert, and their expertise says "I know what it is, it's an evil regime!".

Re: Jack Ma makes first live appearance in three months in online meet

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Look, if you don't believe me, at least believe in Kishore Mahbubani, ex-Singapore diplomat and ex-UN Security Council head. He's spoken extensively about this in his book "Has China Won?" and can corroborate what I said. In the past 40 years, the freedoms of Chinese people have exploded. People could not choose what to wear, where to work, what to eat, where to live. Now they can. Millions travel world-wide every ye…

A bad party that is improving is still bad.

That's tautologically true of course. What is far less clear cut is whether it's preferable for someone (and their children) to stay in a country with a bad regime that's improving or in one with a good regime that's deteriorating. It depends on many factors (levels of goodness/badness, rate of improvement/deterioration, persistence and stability of trends, how one is personally affected by goodness/badness/improvements/deterioration).

To make it more concrete, there are people (granted, overwhelmingly ethnically Had Chinese fluent in the language) who voluntarily choose to reside in China over the US or EU, and I don't think they are irrational about it.

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Just a note — there is basically zero chance that Jeff Bezos would face any sort of governmental action if he "pissed off a guy in a government department," however influential that person may be. AWS just blocked Parler, and I'm sure our current president — arguably the most powerful man on Earth (until tomorrow) — was not very happy with that. We don't see Jeff Bezos in hiding for doing that, nor would he have to g…

Well, I'd just have to respectfully disagree then. As someone who runs my own company, I know better than to pick a quarrel with my customers, even if I don't agree with those customers on a political or whatever level. It's not at all strange to have multiple factions in an organizations who are after multiple vendors, as tool for an internal power war. Maybe if I piss off the guy who chose me as vendor, then his ri…

>My point is, social relations are complex. Freedom of speech doesn't mean freedom from consequence.

In general it does mean freedom from legal consequences and government interference, with few exceptions.

Re: Jack Ma makes first live appearance in three months in online meet

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Honestly though, don't you think that's a valid question - asking for qualitative responses? Notice how the user responded to you, as an authority, I hope you're aware of that power dynamic as well. I've also thought I'd love to see a Netflix style documentary of "a day in dang's life" to help us get to know you, to humanize you more + would be good marketing for HN and YCombinator. You're often very poetic in your r…

Perhaps you may enjoy https://www.newyorker.com/news/letter-from-silicon-valley/th... .

Thanks! Actually I had read part of it but never got back to it. Now on my to-do.
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