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Re: Anthony Levandowski Pardoned

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Post by n4r9 »

WalterBright wrote: post #128
n4r9 wrote: post #109

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There's a difference between accepting the costs of progress and actively wanting to be indirectly responsible for death.

>> The man believes manslaughter is the cost of doing business for innovation > There's a difference between accepting the costs of progress I'm not seeing the essential difference here. P.S. I know nothing about Levandowski, his beliefs, or his statements. Just commenting on what the parent wrote.

I'm also only commenting on what the parent wrote to be fair. My point is that being disappointed not to be involved in a death - as that comment suggests - is a level of callousness that goes well beyond accepting the cost of progress.

Re: Anthony Levandowski Pardoned

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Post by coldtea »

>Anthony Levandowski, 40, was sentenced in August to 18 months in prison after pleading guilty in March. He was not in custody but a judge had said he could enter custody once the COVID-19 pandemic subsided.

That's the part that caught my eye, not Trump's pardon.

So that's how rich people are treated by the court system...

Re: Anthony Levandowski Pardoned

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Post by KSteffensen »

Veen wrote: post #84
ocdtrekkie wrote: post #32

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Not only this, but Mr. Levandowski has made it clear he thinks his car failing to cause the first self-driving fatality would mean they were behind . The man believes manslaughter is the cost of doing business for innovation. He should be in prison for much more than he got.

Although it might be tempting, you can’t really send people to prison for disagreeing with your ethics.

I truly hope that most laws have some basis in ethics where getting people killed is unethical.

Re: Anthony Levandowski Pardoned

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Post by coldtea »

spacemanmatt wrote: post #87
kenneth wrote: post #80

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The "ok" hand sign isn't a white power sign just because some people have decided it to be. It's meant ok since as long as anyone can remember. I'm not willing to accept I can't say okay now because some liberal thinkers have decided that that's now become racist. People need to lighten up a bit and not make everything an affront.

The white supremacy sign is a white power sign because white supremacists use it to signal each other. It is called a "dog whistle" because people like you cannot hear it accurately.

"Dog whistle" is a term bat-shit-crazy people and opportunists use to mark whoever they like on anything they can drum up.

"You think what he said was inoffensive? That's because it's a dog whistle!".

It's not that some dog whistles don't exist (e.g. upon secret societies, etc). It's that it's used as a weapon with the flimsiest of excuses.

It's the 2020 version of "Have you stopped beating your wife?" question.

Re: Anthony Levandowski Pardoned

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Post by threatofrain »

kenneth wrote: post #80
bobsil1 wrote: post #60

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Or powerful ones: https://twitter.com/rsingel/status/1351783622362030082

The "ok" hand sign isn't a white power sign just because some people have decided it to be. It's meant ok since as long as anyone can remember. I'm not willing to accept I can't say okay now because some liberal thinkers have decided that that's now become racist. People need to lighten up a bit and not make everything an affront.

And if you make the okay sign while posing next to celebrity Steve Bannon, it's up to you how you control your messaging, and it's up to the audience to make a judgment call on receiving your message.

On a more lighthearted issue, Ray Bradbury once abruptly left a guest lecture because students wouldn't agree on themes for his novel. Does a man own his own words? And does a man's meaning belong to him as well? Or is it like sand through one's fingers?

Re: Anthony Levandowski Pardoned

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Post by tsimionescu »

wrnr wrote: post #65
avmich wrote: post #40

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> will do a great deal to help heal the nation A counterpoint: Abraham Lincoln had some strong opinions about the events like on Jan. 6, and his opinions were not guided by an idea of "unity." Healing may involve some unpleasant medicine.

I'm guided by the principle for universal love and forgiveness, it is time to leave the past behind, who cares what a dead person would thinks about something he never experienced. You are afraid and grasping at an illusion to keep up the self image of the victim, a powerful image yes, wash the hate from your heart, open the chacra of fear to drain the pool of resentment and let the light enter your soul. I will pray…

Even in the kindest philosophies, forgiveness is conditioned on some kind of regret for the crime (if indeed a crime did happen). Almost none of the people on this list are repentant for their actions - if anything, many are defiant - and I see no reason to forgive them. It may be a kindness to them, but there is also a problem of kindness for their victims.

Re: Anthony Levandowski Pardoned

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Post by lldbg »

yread wrote: post #93
kenneth wrote: post #80

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The "ok" hand sign isn't a white power sign just because some people have decided it to be. It's meant ok since as long as anyone can remember. I'm not willing to accept I can't say okay now because some liberal thinkers have decided that that's now become racist. People need to lighten up a bit and not make everything an affront.

Or you can use context instead of absolute judgment. When done under water in a scuba suit, it probably means ok. When done when posing with Steve Bannon it probably means white power sign.

That's some hilariously vacuous reasoning. What's your thought process there? People are complex, just because you don't like them doesnt give you the right to judge their every action in the worst possible light. That's intellectually unsound.

Re: Anthony Levandowski Pardoned

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Post by WalterBright »

n4r9 wrote: post #131
WalterBright wrote: post #128

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>> The man believes manslaughter is the cost of doing business for innovation > There's a difference between accepting the costs of progress I'm not seeing the essential difference here. P.S. I know nothing about Levandowski, his beliefs, or his statements. Just commenting on what the parent wrote.

I'm also only commenting on what the parent wrote to be fair. My point is that being disappointed not to be involved in a death - as that comment suggests - is a level of callousness that goes well beyond accepting the cost of progress.

Since I don't know the man, I prefer to be charitable and am willing to assume he was just being inept in his choice of phrasing rather than assuming he is evil.

I worked on the stab trim gearbox design for the Boeing 757. That gearbox is "flight critical", meaning total failure of it means a crash. I'm very proud that the stab trim system has never caused an accident in the service history of the 757. (Of course, the design was an iteration on the highly successful 747 equivalent, not anything revolutionary.)

Re: Anthony Levandowski Pardoned

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Post by tsimionescu »

godmode2019 wrote: post #118

George hotz said that Anthony Lewandowski was a real leader and the problem with real leaders is they do first and ask questions later. I don't know Anthony Lewandowski but I agree with the sentiment. Disruption is disrupting, and tends to be illegal. Its pretty hard to stay in the right side of the law, if you think you have not done anything this is because you are not big enough for someone to try find something.

Even if it were true that True Disruption => Illegality (it isn't), it does not follow that doing illegal things makes you a genius disruptor. Levandowski's crime was not his disruption, it was stealing code from his former employer for his own personal gain.

Re: Anthony Levandowski Pardoned

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Post by dodobirdlord »

refurb wrote: post #62
amatecha wrote: post #59

Issued on January 20th, 2021.... Didn't Joe Biden just win the popular vote with 51.3% on... November 3rd, 2020, over two months ago? Why does the US political system wait months to enact the peoples' will? I don't understand this at all.

Is this a serious question? This is what most systems do right? Hold an election and then the newly elected sit at some later point in time. Or are you suggesting the second we know the winner the previous president should be booted out?

It's actually extremely unusual how long the period is between elections and elected officials taking office in the United States.
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