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Re: Anthony Levandowski Pardoned

#121
Heartbreaking to see how long some of these people were locked up for their crimes. Some of them just don't match up.

I wish it was an ongoing thing a president did every night before bed - get presented with a curated list of deserving prisoners and a rubberstamp. Far better than a splurge at the end of term.

Re: Anthony Levandowski Pardoned

#122

My knee jerk reaction to this is also to be upset, but if I try to view his sentence from a perspective of rehabilitation vs punitive action ... His original sentence (6 months ago) was 18 months. I don't know if the extra 12 months here changes anything.

He didn’t actually serve any of the time.

Re: Anthony Levandowski Pardoned

#123

My knee jerk reaction to this is also to be upset, but if I try to view his sentence from a perspective of rehabilitation vs punitive action ... His original sentence (6 months ago) was 18 months. I don't know if the extra 12 months here changes anything.

He didn't serve time yet, his sentence was postponed due to corona.

Re: Anthony Levandowski Pardoned

#124
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The white supremacy sign is a white power sign because white supremacists use it to signal each other. It is called a "dog whistle" because people like you cannot hear it accurately.

My issue with the term "dog whistle" is that it's being abused to attribute nefarious meaning to just anything you want irrespectively of the actual content of the message- by definition the "dog whistle" is something that the message doesn't obviously contain. It's a free interpretation license card. I think out-of-context interpretation is the major issue of our times: we got used to the idea that it's perfectly fi…

Yes, agreed.

Someone creates a weak troll, like "the OK symbol is now an alt-right symbol" and people go crazy over it.

"Oh it's a dog whistle" no, it's an internet meme that got gratuitously amplified for free (this phrase could also be a summary of the Trump campaign).

(Also "true" dog whistles are not explained - their meaning is extrapolated from context. Kinda like saying "yaml lovers" to indicate k8s users)

Re: Anthony Levandowski Pardoned

#125

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The white supremacy sign is a white power sign because white supremacists use it to signal each other. It is called a "dog whistle" because people like you cannot hear it accurately.

You really think people now use "OK", a sign used for years, to signal they are racist? I think you're the butt of the joke here...

A SCUBA diver here. Apparently we are all racist while submerged.

Re: Anthony Levandowski Pardoned

#126
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A pardon requires delivery and acceptance. (Actually, I think delivery is incomplete without acceptance.) Theoretically an incoming president could recall the pardon if it hasn't been delivered. Not sure what may constitute as delivery; or acceptance, for that matter. I don't think the manner of delivery or acceptance has been tested, let alone enumerated. If it's as simple as a phone call, then presumably nothing co…

There was an even more interesting question raised on r/NeutralPolitics about whether the pardon has to even be made public. It seems there's an interpretation of the law where the pardon only becomes public when the recipient makes use of it in a public court.

Also talk of putting it on the secret computer for national security until use.

Re: Anthony Levandowski Pardoned

#127
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Or powerful ones: https://twitter.com/rsingel/status/1351783622362030082

The "ok" hand sign isn't a white power sign just because some people have decided it to be. It's meant ok since as long as anyone can remember. I'm not willing to accept I can't say okay now because some liberal thinkers have decided that that's now become racist. People need to lighten up a bit and not make everything an affront.

Some of the comments below are rather heated. I’d like to quote an excerpt from the Anti-Defamation League’s page on the “ok” sign. [1] I think it is a reasonable take that acknowledges the validity of the perspectives posted here. Context is important.

> Use of the okay symbol in most contexts is entirely innocuous and harmless.

> In 2017, the “okay” hand gesture acquired a new and different significance thanks to a hoax by members of the website 4chan to falsely promote the gesture as a hate symbol, claiming that the gesture represented the letters “wp,” for “white power.” The “okay” gesture hoax was merely the latest in a series of similar 4chan hoaxes using various innocuous symbols; in each case, the hoaxers hoped that the media and liberals would overreact by condemning a common image as white supremacist.

> In the case of the “okay” gesture, the hoax was so successful the symbol became a popular trolling tactic on the part of right-leaning individuals, who would often post photos to social media of themselves posing while making the “okay” gesture.

> Ironically, some white supremacists themselves soon also participated in such trolling tactics, lending an actual credence to those who labeled the trolling gesture as racist in nature. By 2019, at least some white supremacists seem to have abandoned the ironic or satiric intent behind the original trolling campaign and used the symbol as a sincere expression of white supremacy, such as when Australian white supremacist Brenton Tarrant flashed the symbol during a March 2019 courtroom appearance soon after his arrest for allegedly murdering 50 people in a shooting spree at mosques in Christchurch, New Zealand.

> The overwhelming usage of the “okay” hand gesture today is still its traditional purpose as a gesture signifying assent or approval. As a result, someone who uses the symbol cannot be assumed to be using the symbol in either a trolling or, especially, white supremacist context unless other contextual evidence exists to support the contention. Since 2017, many people have been falsely accused of being racist or white supremacist for using the “okay” gesture in its traditional and innocuous sense.

[1] https://www.adl.org/education/references/hate-symbols/okay-h...

Re: Anthony Levandowski Pardoned

#128
post #109

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The first death in a powered airplane was where one of the Wrights crashed carrying a passenger, and he died. Should the airplane have never been invented and the Wrights jailed for trying?

There's a difference between accepting the costs of progress and actively wanting to be indirectly responsible for death.

>> The man believes manslaughter is the cost of doing business for innovation

> There's a difference between accepting the costs of progress

I'm not seeing the essential difference here.

P.S. I know nothing about Levandowski, his beliefs, or his statements. Just commenting on what the parent wrote.

Re: Anthony Levandowski Pardoned

#129

So when we do get rid of presidential pardons? We've seen "an American president commutes the sentence of a person convicted by a jury of lying to shield that very president." ~Mitt Romney And we've seen pardons put up for sale.[0] Is the US a nation of laws and due process or a Banana Republic where anyone can be acquitted of anything? [0] https://www.nytimes.com/2021/01/17/us/politics/trump-pardons...

I think it's very good that you have them, so at least a select few people can get a second chance. Instead, you should get rid of ridiculous penalty stacking and plea deals, an often obviously unjust justice system, and a penal system that systematically violates the most basic human rights and standards of decency.

No offence, but most of these pardons make perfect sense. Unfortunately, Snowden, Ulbricht, and Assange were left out.

Re: Anthony Levandowski Pardoned

#130
post #62

Issued on January 20th, 2021.... Didn't Joe Biden just win the popular vote with 51.3% on... November 3rd, 2020, over two months ago? Why does the US political system wait months to enact the peoples' will? I don't understand this at all.

Is this a serious question? This is what most systems do right? Hold an election and then the newly elected sit at some later point in time. Or are you suggesting the second we know the winner the previous president should be booted out?

> Or are you suggesting the second we know the winner the previous president should be booted out?

I think GP is asking why it's 2 months instead of something like 2 weeks.

> Or are you suggesting the second we know the winner the previous president should be booted out?

It's not a terrible idea to prevent them from signing new legislation or doing anything else of massive importance. If it was worth doing, it should've been done before the election so that voters had all the information before casting their votes.

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