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Re: Capitol Attack Was Months in the Making on Facebook

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Post by redflame8 »

chandra381 wrote: post #750
tomcam wrote: post #515

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No they didn’t. Look at the damage done to Seattle and Portland with the full cooperation of Twitter and Facebook.

I've never understood this "what-about-ism". I see it as a bad faith tactic of deflecting attention from one issue to another, when the person doing it knows exactly how bad and indefensible their chosen stance is, and is trying to downplay it. I think it would be vocal to see why this OP is so instinctively fixated on BLM, Seattle and Portland and not on the Capitol attack. What does this reveal about the OP's own b…

Its really simple: people dont like being treated unfair. It’s not deflecting to point out hypocrisy

Re: Capitol Attack Was Months in the Making on Facebook

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Post by hombre_fatal »

newbie789 wrote: post #681
rj_kidwin wrote: post #646

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Further down in their comment they cite statistics about variant violent crime rates by race, where African Americans commit more than 50% of violent crime, which seems in line with your cited non-lethal force rates. Violent criminals receiving proportionate rates of violent force doesn't stand out as a disparity.

>African Americans commit more than 50% of violent crime, Out of curiosity, I understand that you're simply citing statistics from a source but I'd like to know if you think this reflects reality? If so, what reason would you suggest creates this?

Statistics, measurements, are the only lens on reality that we have. It's something we have to be able to talk about.

Be very wary of someone who thinks their intuition is stronger than our best pursuits of data. And, based on what, Reddit r/videos and Twitter?

Re: Capitol Attack Was Months in the Making on Facebook

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Post by chalst »

alwaysdoit wrote: post #138
stretchcat wrote: post #78

It was planned for months, openly on Facebook in plain view of everybody. Remember that when politicians call for more intrusive surveillance in response.

Yeah, it's weird that the discussion has centered around censorship, rather than like... why didn't law enforcement shut this down sooner? Or at least properly prepare for it?

Trump appointees in the intelligence services were attacking members who investigated far- right threats.

https://talkingpointsmemo.com/muckraker/why-dhs-failed-to-wa...

Re: Capitol Attack Was Months in the Making on Facebook

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Post by dang »

bananabreakfast wrote: post #71
beefee wrote: post #45

It's chilling how quickly the tech industry has coalesced around oppressive and biased social media censorship policies. A scant few years ago, the tech industry was a beacon of free expression.

It's chilling how quickly radical terrorist groups have coalesced around using social media to coordinate their hatred and their attacks. A scant few years ago, America actively fought terrorists instead of encouraging and facilitating them.

It looks like you've been using HN primarily for political battle. Can you please not do that? It's against the rules (https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html) and it's the line across which we start banning accounts (https://hn.algolia.com/?sort=byDate&dateRange=all&type=comme...), regardless of which politics they're battling for. This is because it destroys what HN is supposed to exist for, which is curious conversation on a wide range of topics.

If there are other accounts doing this, I'd like to know who they are (irrespective of which politics they're for or against). It's impossible for us to look at the history of every account posting like this, but this is a serious problem and it's getting worse, so we're raising the bar.

https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=true&que...

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Post by harry8 »

RobRivera wrote: post #724
wavefunction wrote: post #651

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Why are you not mentioning any Republicans?

clearly because of political astroturfing. there I explicitly stated what you are insinuating with your simple question. his/her point still stands; famous politicians gain wealth from said fame. can we stay on track here?

Yellen getting paid millions for public speaking to banks and hedge funds. And now she's going to regulate them. I'm sure those million dollar paychecks won't affect her judgement at all. I'm sure the insight based on intelligence and expertise, completely outside of getting an advantage understanding and/or influencing regulatory behaviour is what they all felt was worth the money.

I'm sure it's all completely legal but it's completely corrupt. The best we can hope for is she doesn't let these intended bribes influence her - and she may not.

Fame you say? Do you really believe that? If you do does it matter that the optics are foul and most won't agree? Square that when people are going broke and wondering about food and children's future when considering her millions in fees.

Re: Capitol Attack Was Months in the Making on Facebook

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Post by dang »

All: I know this is a little late, but those of you posting ideological flamewar comments to this thread are breaking the site guidelines. We're trying to avoid hellfire here, and we're banning accounts that feed it. Please don't feed it.

HN is not for all types of discussion. It is specifically for curious conversation. Here's a test you can apply: curiosity is equally open to what's true, false, or interesting about anything. If your position is that your side is right about everything while the opposing side is wrong about everything, you have left the spectrum of curiosity gratification and are functioning in the spectrum of political battle. Those do not overlap.

https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

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Post by Cthulhu_ »

alwaysdoit wrote: post #138
stretchcat wrote: post #78

It was planned for months, openly on Facebook in plain view of everybody. Remember that when politicians call for more intrusive surveillance in response.

Yeah, it's weird that the discussion has centered around censorship, rather than like... why didn't law enforcement shut this down sooner? Or at least properly prepare for it?

"law enforcement" was in on it. I'm using the term loosely here, I'm mainly thinking "police"; the FBI seems to have things in order much better at least. The warning signs were there for YEARS, but nobody's dared to stand up to the domestic terrorist organizations - probably because the president was one of them. "Stand back and stand by".

If you picture a Venn diagram, there's a significant overlap in Republicans, the insurrectionists, QAnon / Pizzagate types, Blue Lives Matters, the police, and nazis / white supremacists.

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Post by alkonaut »

9wzYQbTYsAIc wrote: post #20
ardy42 wrote: post #8

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> Still in the app stores I see. That's because this stuff was a tiny fraction of the activity on Facebook (it's HUGE, and still mostly for baby pictures), but a substantial fraction of the content on Parler and Gab (they're tiny , and mostly for the stuff that Facebook and Twitter ban). A lot of people who object to Parler's treatment want this conceived as a simple binary, but it's more of a matter of degree an pro…

Apple’s reasoning was their incapacity to moderate violent messages, not their ratio of violent messages.

I'm sure removal was still weighed against how much would be lost (financially, functionality lost by people who isn't violating rules) etc.

In the Facebook case, there is some moderation (although it obviously failed), and the fraction of users who aren't doing anything wrong is absolutely staggering. The alternative to FB if banned, for people in that category is hard to find.

On Parler, the moderation was basically non-existent, the amount of well behaved users is small (although still a majority even on Parler obviously) and the available alternatives to those users are readily available, such as Twitter, making the damage to those users smaller.

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