Capitol Attack Was Months in the Making on Facebook • Hacker News Board

Re: Capitol Attack Was Months in the Making on Facebook

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Post by three_seagrass » Wed, Jan 20, 2021, 6:57 AM UTC

throwaway316943 wrote: post #466

afavour wrote: post #353

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You don’t need the guns if you have people on the inside. And a good number of the rioters seemed really quite surprised when law enforcement fought back against them. After all, they were carrying Blue Lives Matter flags, surely the cops are on their side! (and besides, there were a good number of people with guns at the protest. And some others brought pipe bombs. Thankfully neither ended up being a factor but no o…

Doesn’t add up. How are you going to hold the Capitol or any hostages without weapons?

The FBI divulged this morning that the Oath Keepers, a right-wing militia, were trying to trap congress members in the underground tunnels of the capitol to gas them.

Re: Capitol Attack Was Months in the Making on Facebook

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Post by amznthrwaway » Wed, Jan 20, 2021, 6:58 AM UTC

Izkata wrote: post #656

alsetmusic wrote: post #653

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> Why are you not mentioning any Republicans? That’s a good point. It’s not like Trump’s holdings weren’t fed a line of patrons while he was in office. Seems odd to leave out the most prominent and recent example.

Trump didn't make money off of the presidency, if anything he spent (2016-2017) or lost (2020) wealth: https://www.cnn.com/2020/09/09/politics/forbes-400-donald-tr...

Thank you for letting us know that you are both dishonest and hyper partisan.

The article does not say what you claim it does. You are a liar and if dang cared about community he’d ban sleazy fucks like you.

Fortunately for you, dang absolutely fucking loves dishonest assholes.

Re: Capitol Attack Was Months in the Making on Facebook

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Post by [deleted] » Wed, Jan 20, 2021, 7:02 AM UTC

rat87 wrote: post #707

jlawson wrote: post #678

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If "telling people that the election was a fraud" is equivalent to encouraging insurrection, you'd need to convict everyone who pushed the Trump/Russia narrative for years. So basically every leftist media entity and person and many of the politicians too. Hell, we can go back to 2000, butterfly ballots, Diebold voting machines, and so on and so forth. People are allowed to question election integrity.

except Trump did collude with Russia

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Re: Capitol Attack Was Months in the Making on Facebook

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Post by three_seagrass » Wed, Jan 20, 2021, 7:04 AM UTC

abduhl wrote: post #598

dragonwriter wrote: post #596

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How many of those other things was he impeached and subsequently condemned by the Republican floor leader in the Senate for?

I didn't realize that Moscow Mitch was the bellwether of history.

Being impeached twice is the landmark here. We're living some pretty important history as it's being written right now.

Re: Capitol Attack Was Months in the Making on Facebook

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Post by amznthrwaway » Wed, Jan 20, 2021, 7:06 AM UTC

rj_kidwin wrote: post #624

dragonwriter wrote: post #589

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> Parler has been, for all intents and purposes, killed. Parler wasn't “killed” because planning took place there, but because they were openly at least unable if not actually unwilling to take action against a huge backlog of specific problem identified to them; the problem was current and forward, not retrospective.

Amazon has stated that it warned Parler for months without redress, but to offer another perspective, the CEO of Parler stated in an interview that they were notified the day before they got the plug pulled, sought to work with AWS on solving the issue, then were "deplatformed" the following day. He said she said, but obviously both sides are incentivized to make themselves look clean

If you think it’s he said / she said, can I please bet you $10,000 that Amazon is telling the truth, to your $5,000 that Parler is? Winner to be decided by a neutral third party?

If you believe that it’s even odds about who is telling the truth, this is an incredibly good offer for you.

If you won’t take the offer, that is proof that you know that you are a dishonest pile of human dung.

We can get a third party escrow. So do you want a high EV bet, or are you a wildly dishonest pile of human dung?

Re: Capitol Attack Was Months in the Making on Facebook

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Post by nathanvanfleet » Wed, Jan 20, 2021, 7:06 AM UTC

> Capitol Attack Was Months in the Making on Facebook

Wow, HackerNews has embedded ads for Facebook now?

Re: Capitol Attack Was Months in the Making on Facebook

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Post by three_seagrass » Wed, Jan 20, 2021, 7:08 AM UTC

IG_Semmelweiss wrote: post #739

akiselev wrote: post #553

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93% of the BLM protests were peaceful [1] despite protestors numbering in the millions, if not tens of millions - compared to the tens of thousands at the capitol. The most notable violence during the BLM protests was an incident where far right extremists, members of Bugaloo boys group involved in the capitol attack, used the protests as cover to murder cops [2]. To compare the two is disingenuous. [1] https://acled…

93% of meteors hitting earth are harmless. This is not about the probability but the outcome at the tail 7% or 3% or 1% is still huge. The right number to use is 0%. Not 1% or 7% Zero. Those protests literally shut down critical stores for people in dire straits. For ex. The only pharmacy near low income seniors with limited motor ability, with the double whammy that public transport also shut down. Cities on fire ev…

95% of meteors don't even hit the ground, and most of those that do are just pebble sized.

Are you really trying to compare Black Lives Matter to a mass extinction event?

Edit:

Okay, you've massively edited your comment. A single gender reveal party caused more property damage than all the BLM protests combined. I do not get this continued obsession with BLM protests, especially in conversations regarding the insurrection at the capitol this month.

Re: Capitol Attack Was Months in the Making on Facebook

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Post by triceratops » Wed, Jan 20, 2021, 7:09 AM UTC

foolinaround wrote: post #615

runarberg wrote: post #362

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Even if correct it is a moot point. There have been left wing terrorists for a long time now, and most of them get adequate police response, and sometimes even condemnation from other left wing groups. But even if it didn’t that still doesn’t make the leeway right wing terrorists get justified. Susan Rosenberg has paid for her crimes and no longer uses terrorism to further the cause. Pointing to her case is a sever f…

She was pardoned by Clinton even though some of the incidents she was involved in resulted in deaths. Not sure how she has paid for her crimes, and why her case of known crimes and casualties should not be pointed?

I have no clue who that is but from reading other comments, I learned

> She was pardoned by Clinton

Her sentence was commuted. She wasn't pardoned.

> Not sure how she has paid for her crimes

She served 16 years of a 58-year sentence. You can consider that at least partial payment.

Re: Capitol Attack Was Months in the Making on Facebook

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Post by tsimionescu » Wed, Jan 20, 2021, 7:13 AM UTC

austincheney wrote: post #736

Railsify wrote: post #540

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Members of Congress will use this event as a catalyst for fundraising, soon after the election they will draft legislation that threatens to control and/or regulate the tech giants. Shortly after that the lobbyists representing Big Tech get wind of this new legislation on the horizon and donations will flow like a river to the PACs and re-election campaigns, then the proposed legislation will be shelved.

> to control and/or regulate the tech giants What is it exactly that qualifies Facebook to be a tech company? A database? A website? They display advertising.

Perhaps it is the fact that they are one of the largest employers of software engineers in the world.

Re: Capitol Attack Was Months in the Making on Facebook

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Post by chandra381 » Wed, Jan 20, 2021, 7:14 AM UTC

tomcam wrote: post #515

bananabreakfast wrote: post #71

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It's chilling how quickly radical terrorist groups have coalesced around using social media to coordinate their hatred and their attacks. A scant few years ago, America actively fought terrorists instead of encouraging and facilitating them.

No they didn’t. Look at the damage done to Seattle and Portland with the full cooperation of Twitter and Facebook.

I've never understood this "what-about-ism". I see it as a bad faith tactic of deflecting attention from one issue to another, when the person doing it knows exactly how bad and indefensible their chosen stance is, and is trying to downplay it. I think it would be vocal to see why this OP is so instinctively fixated on BLM, Seattle and Portland and not on the Capitol attack. What does this reveal about the OP's own biases and what and whom they consider important?