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Jack Ma makes first live appearance in three months in online meet

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Re: Jack Ma makes first live appearance in three months in online meet

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Post by system2 »

echelon wrote: post #14
sebmellen wrote: post #5

> In the 50-second video, Ma, dressed in a navy pullover, spoke directly to the camera from a room with grey marble walls and a striped carpet. It was not clear from the video or the Tianmu News article where he was speaking from. Uh, resurfacing from a fancy prison cell, perhaps? Can anyone find the video? EDIT: Here's the raw video: https://twitter.com/globaltimesnews/status/13517514568277196... . If you watch his…

This regime is no joke. We need to offer Hong Kong and Chinese citizens a fast and easy path to citizenship in the West. If we do not brain drain China, rehabilitate our manufacturing capability, and prevent the CCP's rise to global dominance, we'll all have our liberties threatened. It could start with an offer to Jack Ma. Offer for him to move to SF or Miami. Watch for the "ha, ha, no thanks", but see the impact it…

>easy path to citizenship in the West

Since when the U.S. providing free citizenships to the countries in need of help?

Re: Jack Ma makes first live appearance in three months in online meet

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Post by sebmellen »

echelon wrote: post #14
sebmellen wrote: post #5

> In the 50-second video, Ma, dressed in a navy pullover, spoke directly to the camera from a room with grey marble walls and a striped carpet. It was not clear from the video or the Tianmu News article where he was speaking from. Uh, resurfacing from a fancy prison cell, perhaps? Can anyone find the video? EDIT: Here's the raw video: https://twitter.com/globaltimesnews/status/13517514568277196... . If you watch his…

This regime is no joke. We need to offer Hong Kong and Chinese citizens a fast and easy path to citizenship in the West. If we do not brain drain China, rehabilitate our manufacturing capability, and prevent the CCP's rise to global dominance, we'll all have our liberties threatened. It could start with an offer to Jack Ma. Offer for him to move to SF or Miami. Watch for the "ha, ha, no thanks", but see the impact it…

The battle for science and research talent is probably the biggest silent battle that's ever gone on, and the general public is completely unaware.

I really, really hope the new administration has someone who cranks up the "brain drain agenda" to 10. The only challenge is doing so without importing too many spies or covert actors — and that's a REAL challenge. Perhaps it would be easier to aggressively brain-drain China's allies (not that there are any I can think of)...

I was quite shocked that an opthamologist at a clinic I regularly visit resigned after being ousted as a member of the Thousand Talents Program, here in San Diego [0].

[0]: https://timesofsandiego.com/education/2019/07/08/ucsd-doctor...

Re: Jack Ma makes first live appearance in three months in online meet

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Post by nickysielicki »

sebmellen wrote: post #5

> In the 50-second video, Ma, dressed in a navy pullover, spoke directly to the camera from a room with grey marble walls and a striped carpet. It was not clear from the video or the Tianmu News article where he was speaking from. Uh, resurfacing from a fancy prison cell, perhaps? Can anyone find the video? EDIT: Here's the raw video: https://twitter.com/globaltimesnews/status/13517514568277196... . If you watch his…

I don't think it matters that he's reading off of a script. Imagine Bezos in the same situation, do you honestly think he wouldn't delegate the responsibility of speechwriting to his team of publicists?

Re: Jack Ma makes first live appearance in three months in online meet

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Post by guerrilla »

echelon wrote: post #18
guerrilla wrote: post #16

Disappointingly paranoid comments jumping to conclusions here. It's equally possible that Ma's disappearance is self-imposed after making an out of character speech that was not well received by investors and regulators alike. We don't know either way at this point. To quote Leo Lewis of the FT: "His miscalculation now looks spectacular, even by his astral standards of showmanship." [1] 1. https://www.ft.com/content/…

Total bullshit. This is the CCP stepping on this man's throat.

It's certainly possible but the fact is that there's no evidence or indication one way or the other at this point.

Re: Jack Ma makes first live appearance in three months in online meet

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Post by sebmellen »

nickysielicki wrote: post #23
sebmellen wrote: post #5

> In the 50-second video, Ma, dressed in a navy pullover, spoke directly to the camera from a room with grey marble walls and a striped carpet. It was not clear from the video or the Tianmu News article where he was speaking from. Uh, resurfacing from a fancy prison cell, perhaps? Can anyone find the video? EDIT: Here's the raw video: https://twitter.com/globaltimesnews/status/13517514568277196... . If you watch his…

I don't think it matters that he's reading off of a script. Imagine Bezos in the same situation, do you honestly think he wouldn't delegate the responsibility of speechwriting to his team of publicists?

Fair point, but his speech also seems forced, and the location is quite strange.

If Bezos or Gates were to give an address like this, they'd have a great camera setup in their fancy home office with good lighting.

For reference, take a look at Gates appearing on the Daily Show: https://youtube.com/watch?v=iyFT8qXcOrM.

Ma looks the opposite here.

Re: Jack Ma makes first live appearance in three months in online meet

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Post by pelario »

system2 wrote: post #21
echelon wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This regime is no joke. We need to offer Hong Kong and Chinese citizens a fast and easy path to citizenship in the West. If we do not brain drain China, rehabilitate our manufacturing capability, and prevent the CCP's rise to global dominance, we'll all have our liberties threatened. It could start with an offer to Jack Ma. Offer for him to move to SF or Miami. Watch for the "ha, ha, no thanks", but see the impact it…

>easy path to citizenship in the West Since when the U.S. providing free citizenships to the countries in need of help?

Not saying I agree with parent, but:

i) "The west" is much bigger than the US

ii) Right of political asylum has been "a thing" for a long while, specially for people fleeing authoritarian regimes.

Re: Jack Ma makes first live appearance in three months in online meet

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Post by FooBarWidget »

sebmellen wrote: post #5

> In the 50-second video, Ma, dressed in a navy pullover, spoke directly to the camera from a room with grey marble walls and a striped carpet. It was not clear from the video or the Tianmu News article where he was speaking from. Uh, resurfacing from a fancy prison cell, perhaps? Can anyone find the video? EDIT: Here's the raw video: https://twitter.com/globaltimesnews/status/13517514568277196... . If you watch his…

How much more mental gymnastics do we need? I think it's time to accept that he WASN'T jailed rather than trying to forcefully shoehorn the facts into a 'but China still bad' narrative.

The HN commentary went from 'Jack Ma is a national security threat' to 'Jack Ma is a poor victim of the CCP will will never be seen again' to 'this is fake, he is still jailed'. If he shows up someone else in person next time, will people say that the CCP staged that too? It's getting too ridiculous.

Cyrus Janssen, an expat who has worked in China for 12 years, blogged about this. I think he has a much more accurate view of what happened. Jack Ma was laying low, not jailed. And the rrason why his comments pissed off people is because the phase of development China is now in, rather than a generic "thou shall not criticize the party" https://cyrusjanssen.substack.com/p/trump-free-speech-and-wh...

In contrast to China's reputation here in the west, the govt actually DOES listen to criticism. Yes they censor at the same time. Calling for violence and overthrow of the govt is not allowed. But at the same time they do listen, and for the past 20 years they've continuously reformed policy based on citizen's criticism on social media, or those submitted via official channels. The key is to be constructive, and to criticize policy rather than people.

This also applies to this latest incident. Yes it bugged a lot of people in the government, but at the same time they're really looking into the actual criticism made and whether there's a need for reform.

I am from China and I have family in China.

Re: Jack Ma makes first live appearance in three months in online meet

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Post by themodelplumber »

oars wrote: post #10

I would love to see Facebook and Amazon researchers join forces and try to figure out whether this is a deepfake or not. https://aws.amazon.com/blogs/machine-learning/facebook-uses-...

During the video he keeps blinking 'e' in morse code. If real, he could be trying to communicate that he's hungry? 饿 :-)
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