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Re: China wants to build an open source ecosystem to rival GitHub

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Post by howlgarnish »

logicchains wrote: post #156
sudosysgen wrote: post #101

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's not just most-improved, it's actually the best economic system in large countries (thus more easily corrupt) that were not benefactors of classical imperialism if all you care about is development. This is simply an incontrovertible fact - India, Nigeria, Congo, etc... were in similar initial conditions and fared much worse economically. Far from being worse than liberal capitalist economies - which are the majo…

>It's not just most-improved, it's actually the best economic system in large countries (thus more easily corrupt) that were not benefactors of classical imperialism if all you care about is development. This is simply an incontrovertible fact - India, Nigeria, Congo, etc... were in similar initial conditions and fared much worse economically. Compared to countries with a similar culture/demographics: Hong Kong, Kore…

Mainland China's growth has been much slower because the madness of Mao's misrule set the country back by several decades. If you compare the country's growth since Deng Xiaoping took over and started reforming in the early 1980s, it compares much more favorably.

Re: China wants to build an open source ecosystem to rival GitHub

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personjerry wrote: post #151
apple_innocent wrote: post #149

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Is this a mirror/proxy of Github. IP address registered to company in Singapore. Domain registration has mainland China physical address: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=25842028 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=21472212 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=21472433

Looks like a proxy, not a mirror to me, because it's showing GitHub's bot protection page.

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Re: China wants to build an open source ecosystem to rival GitHub

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Post by sudosysgen »

novok wrote: post #153
sudosysgen wrote: post #145

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Can you use a single source that contains the numbers for both China and the US, please? For such data points that have a lot of very different possible methodologies it's quite important to use the same source or ensure that the methodology is exactly the same.

I think that is an unreasonable request for rigor for a casual internet forum comment. That amount of rigor you have to pay for, and at this point I think it's reasonable for you to do your own research and present such normalized numbers.

It really isn't much to ask for. If you're making arguments based on really really shaky data you should not be making them at all. Comparing OECD regions to Chinese administrative metro areas is really quite absurd. The variance in Montréal for example depending on what you call a city can be almost 2x.

For example, if you take the Tokyo Metro Area, you find a GDP per capita of 48k, with a PPP ratio of 0.98 we get 48k USD PPP.

Comparing it to the Beijing Metro Area you have a 39k USD PPP.

This took around 4 minutes to do for the two cities, so I really don't think it's a quantity of rigor you should pay for, nor an unreasonable amount of scrutiny for an internet comment at all. I was just trying to get the commenter to realize the issue with using two completely different data series in a comparison.

You can also compare for example Jiangsu and South Kanto to find similar numbers.

Re: China wants to build an open source ecosystem to rival GitHub

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Post by sudosysgen »

logicchains wrote: post #156
sudosysgen wrote: post #101

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's not just most-improved, it's actually the best economic system in large countries (thus more easily corrupt) that were not benefactors of classical imperialism if all you care about is development. This is simply an incontrovertible fact - India, Nigeria, Congo, etc... were in similar initial conditions and fared much worse economically. Far from being worse than liberal capitalist economies - which are the majo…

>It's not just most-improved, it's actually the best economic system in large countries (thus more easily corrupt) that were not benefactors of classical imperialism if all you care about is development. This is simply an incontrovertible fact - India, Nigeria, Congo, etc... were in similar initial conditions and fared much worse economically. Compared to countries with a similar culture/demographics: Hong Kong, Kore…

Japan was a benefactor of Imperialism - its like comparing Algeria and France. Singapore, Hong Kong, and Taiwan are city states and completely incomparable, and South Korea also heavily used state capitalism and incredibly non-liberal policies until it got richer than where China is at right now. It's also a much smaller country.

As for the rest, you're completely missing the point. Liberal capitalism's single greatest issue for the developing world is the middle income trap.

Re: China wants to build an open source ecosystem to rival GitHub

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Post by free_rms »

pnw_hazor wrote: post #136
sudosysgen wrote: post #101

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's not just most-improved, it's actually the best economic system in large countries (thus more easily corrupt) that were not benefactors of classical imperialism if all you care about is development. This is simply an incontrovertible fact - India, Nigeria, Congo, etc... were in similar initial conditions and fared much worse economically. Far from being worse than liberal capitalist economies - which are the majo…

CCP China is thriving because of liberal capitalism -- the flood of hard currency that otherwise was unobtainable made all the difference. CCP China should build monuments to President Bush (#41) and President Clinton. Otherwise they would have went the way of the USSR. edit: and President Bush (#43) for making most-favored-nation trading status with CCP China permanent.

Maybe the people who live there, set the policy and literally built everything deserve a little credit?

Re: China wants to build an open source ecosystem to rival GitHub

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Post by tnt128 »

higerordermap wrote: post #160
vgchh wrote: post #80

Thing is that in the big picture, it's not just that China is building a replacement for GitHub. China is building a replacement for everything that matters and accelerates their transition to be the Super Power. And they have been doing so for last 30 years, just that now it's hitting a critical mass and world is waking up to it. And I think, we, The West, have been getting it wrong. We are looking at China like a j…

China's main power is cheap labour. Without it no US company does manufacturing in China. They are hardly obsessed about progress rather than control.

Incorrect, and that’s a common misconception. There are countries with way cheaper labor. China now has the manufacturing knowhow and eco system no other countries can compete. That’s it’s power

Re: China wants to build an open source ecosystem to rival GitHub

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Post by apple_innocent »

howlgarnish wrote: post #154
apple_innocent wrote: post #149

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Is this a mirror/proxy of Github. IP address registered to company in Singapore. Domain registration has mainland China physical address: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=25842028 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=21472212 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=21472433

That's not going to help a user in mainland China, because Singapore is a separate country and on the wrong side of the Great Firewall.

Would this help.

http://mirror.github.taobao.org/cgit.cgi/

Re: China wants to build an open source ecosystem to rival GitHub

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Post by apple_innocent »

personjerry wrote: post #151
apple_innocent wrote: post #149

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Is this a mirror/proxy of Github. IP address registered to company in Singapore. Domain registration has mainland China physical address: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=25842028 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=21472212 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=21472433

Looks like a proxy, not a mirror to me, because it's showing GitHub's bot protection page.

How about caching proxy

It has code that has been removed from Github

Re: China wants to build an open source ecosystem to rival GitHub

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Post by AntiImperialist »

etaioinshrdlu wrote: post #7

They want to block Github entirely because Github allows for the free flow of information (politically sensitive information, not just code) and they don't have a way of doing currently without just blocking all of Github... Which would be bad for business, and China also seems to be entering the software business in a bigger way. Actually, if you want to send large amounts of text information to users in China right…

Only in your coocoo world. Every country cares about flow of information, specially if it is propaganda against their establishment. Do that in any country and you'll disappear. There's nothing special about China.
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