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Re: China wants to build an open source ecosystem to rival GitHub

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Post by idrios »

hungryhobo wrote: post #111
stunt wrote: post #79

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No, I don't think it's about blocking Github. Many of their tech companies are using open source. For China it's safer to have a Chinese Github ecosystem. Just imagine if Github suddenly decide to block Chinese users like they did for Iranian users. It's also strategic for their government and some critical private sector to not put their source code on an American platform. So there are enough incentives especially…

this is the correct answer. I think this is China's response after seeing Huawei getting blocked from using Google Services. Github is still owned by an american company and it has shown that it needs to comply with whatever foreign policy that washington enacts. It's reasonable want to have a contingency plan that would allow the Chinese domestic software industry to continue to function when things turn sour betwee…

I'm pretty sure it's also about being able to ban Github. China banned it once before in 2013 but had to unban it when developers complained that the ban interfered with their work

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Censorship_of_GitHub#China

Re: China wants to build an open source ecosystem to rival GitHub

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Post by ggm »

Sometimes, people write as if the authorities in China really believe they can e.g. cease to teach people how to read and write, and speak a common tongue.

I know nobody here is quite that stupid, (although it bears mentioning the more theocratically regressive nation states we have around the world do actually do this, to women) -So this is at some level only a rhetorical complaint.

People need to understand that the Federated Chinese provinces and national government and the party are in a complex web of relationships, and power struggles have been a constant since before 1949.

Git, and use of open-source models and methods is not deeply alien to the Chinese political system, any more than Samizdat was unique to Russia. Many of the things done during the cultural revolution depended on people passing information, sharing ideas. The chinese fear of information and passing information has a domestic, as well as an international quality is what I am trying to say here.

So, there will be oppositional views on the use of Git inside China, and there will be attempts to regulate behaviour in ways which are a poor fit for what Git expects? Sure!

I don't beleive this is like digital communications as a weapon of soft power, something which was actively promoted by the US department of state, and explains some of their abiding interest in Internet governance, worldwide. I think this is something the Chinese face, and brought into their own situation completely unaided.

Lest we forget, Git was invented by Linus Torvalds, a citizen of an economiy in the non-aligned states.

Re: China wants to build an open source ecosystem to rival GitHub

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Post by dcolkitt »

sudosysgen wrote: post #130
dcolkitt wrote: post #129

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All the numbers I've cited (including Beijing's $38k) have been PPP. New York is $74k, San Francisco is $95k, and Chicago is $61k. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_cities_by_GDP_(PPP)_pe...

You are using numbers that are 6 years out of date for a country that has had 6% YoY growth.

The Chinese numbers are from 2019. The American numbers are from 2015. If anything the comparison strongly disadvantages the US, since there was robust growth in the latter half of the decade.

Re: China wants to build an open source ecosystem to rival GitHub

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Post by ipiz0618 »

korethr wrote: post #4

I can't help but wonder if such an attempt would even work. Unless I am misunderstanding the culture that makes an open source ecosystem work, a free and open exchange of information and ideas is one of those fundamental things. When a thing is broken, sometimes you have to tell an authority the horribly embarrassing fact that the thing is broken. With the CCP controlling all information flows and what is or is not f…

I'm pretty sure there's gonna be a fork of all major projects on GitHub on that site, so that developers inside the wall can use the site exclusively. Chances are the forks are going to be updated with actual code from GitHub from time to time.

Re: China wants to build an open source ecosystem to rival GitHub

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Post by sudosysgen »

fy20 wrote: post #113
seniorivn wrote: post #106

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the last time the west only managed to "win" the moon race because it was competing against financially poor and poorly managed soviet state(all key brains behind soviet space program were released from gulag just to work on it and knew that if they will not please their masters they will go back to gulag and die. the greatest motivation of all time) china now is a lot more sane people that don't mess with politics/p…

Has anyone heard from Jack Ma yet?

There was a video of him at a funeral a week or so ago.

Re: China wants to build an open source ecosystem to rival GitHub

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Post by pnw_hazor »

sudosysgen wrote: post #101
dcolkitt wrote: post #85

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> They seem to be doing pretty well, economically-speaking. This is all relative. In an absolute sense, China's level of economic development on Bulgaria, Mexico or Kazakstan. They've had a long period of high growth, but that's only because of the abject poverty the Maoists left the country in. Before Deng's reforms, the country was essentially North Korea. China's prosperity is much more of a "most-improved award"…

It's not just most-improved, it's actually the best economic system in large countries (thus more easily corrupt) that were not benefactors of classical imperialism if all you care about is development. This is simply an incontrovertible fact - India, Nigeria, Congo, etc... were in similar initial conditions and fared much worse economically. Far from being worse than liberal capitalist economies - which are the majo…

CCP China is thriving because of liberal capitalism -- the flood of hard currency that otherwise was unobtainable made all the difference.

CCP China should build monuments to President Bush (#41) and President Clinton. Otherwise they would have went the way of the USSR.

edit: and President Bush (#43) for making most-favored-nation trading status with CCP China permanent.

Re: China wants to build an open source ecosystem to rival GitHub

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Post by throwaway888abc »

BitwiseFool wrote: post #67
worker767424 wrote: post #31

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How long before this strategy backfires? When does the CCP hurt itself because it stifled innovation? When does it have political problems because it suppressed the wrong thing? I can't tell if this style of governing is super robust or a house of cards.

Hard to say because they seem to be letting others do the innovating and then they just copy what works.

That is the new norm, no ?

>Love how you robbed the Intercom content and css 1:1 and still being upvoted. Well, all the best with sales.

>Thank you for your reply. Intercom is way more advanced. About clone, All big companies take design and ideas from each other, without any issues. So am not new to game. t "Picasso had a saying -- 'good artists copy; great artists steal' -- and we have always been shameless about stealing great ideas." Steve Jobs

[0] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=25491413

Re: China wants to build an open source ecosystem to rival GitHub

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Post by whatshisface »

PakG1 wrote: post #123
hungryhobo wrote: post #111

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this is the correct answer. I think this is China's response after seeing Huawei getting blocked from using Google Services. Github is still owned by an american company and it has shown that it needs to comply with whatever foreign policy that washington enacts. It's reasonable want to have a contingency plan that would allow the Chinese domestic software industry to continue to function when things turn sour betwee…

That being said, Github is now owned by Microsoft and Microsoft has a very strong relationship with the Chinese government such that they provided a custom version of Windows 10 for them. https://www.theverge.com/2017/3/21/14998644/microsoft-window... But I see your point.

The USG steamrolls the interests of US companies without a second thought, whenever sanctions are implemented. It doesn't matter how badly Microsoft wants to trade with China, they can't stop sanctions.

Re: China wants to build an open source ecosystem to rival GitHub

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Post by est »

ggm wrote: post #132

Sometimes, people write as if the authorities in China really believe they can e.g. cease to teach people how to read and write, and speak a common tongue. I know nobody here is quite that stupid, (although it bears mentioning the more theocratically regressive nation states we have around the world do actually do this, to women) -So this is at some level only a rhetorical complaint. People need to understand that th…

> The chinese fear of information and passing information

Chinese does not fear information, it only fears "unauthorized" information flow.

Re: China wants to build an open source ecosystem to rival GitHub

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Post by est »

muricula wrote: post #90
wolco5 wrote: post #60

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Linux vs FreeBsd? Open vs Star Office? kde vs gnome python 2 vs 3?

Python 2 & 3 are developed/maintained by the same people. It's not really a competition.

Without Python 2 refugees Python 3 would never compromise.
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