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Re: Capitol Attack Was Months in the Making on Facebook

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Don't you guys think it's odd there are so many professional photos taken inside the Capitol building during the "insurrection"?

I'd post links to videos and pictures that might activate the almonds, but you wouldn't believe them because the fact checkers have already debunked it.

Re: Capitol Attack Was Months in the Making on Facebook

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> their decreasing popularity FTFY: in the US > repeated scandal and failure At this point what large company hasn't had breaches or cancelled projects? Hell, is your company doing OK in terms of security? Are they hashing passwords correctly? How large is the security team? My company doesn't even hash passwords... At some point you need to stop living in a bubble and recognize that plenty of people, businesses, com…

> How large is the security team? More importantly, how big is their whiskey budget? It's not the greatest proxy, but how regularly your security team drinks is a not-terrible way to gauge how much trouble your org is going to be in should something happen.

Is the correlation positive or negative?

Re: Capitol Attack Was Months in the Making on Facebook

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As someone who is sympathetic to both cultures, this has been painful to watch. Now that it's time for the powers that be to punish the red tribe, the blue tribe is all too happy to join in the authoritarianism - eg feigning outrage at the gallows (ignoring the guillotine symbolism of the past year), assertions that speech must be policed, and calls to take right-wing terrorism "seriously" (meaning attack red tribe p…

> As someone who is sympathetic to both cultures, this has been painful to watch. Now that it's time for the powers that be to punish the red tribe, the blue tribe is all too happy to join in the authoritarianism - eg feigning outrage at the gallows (ignoring the guillotine symbolism of the past year), assertions that speech must be policed, and calls to take right-wing terrorism "seriously" You're equivocating aroun…

> they are doing so on their own platforms based on a philosophical opposition to the message of sedition that 50% of the red team is pushing

Agreed. I worded it how I did on purpose - to not take issue with the platforms choosing to censor, but rather with the assertion that all platforms have some duty to censor.

>> (meaning attack red tribe protests with the same zeal as blue tribe protests)

> This is false. Any leader on the blue team will say they would prefer all citizens be treated well rather than all citizens be abused

When specifically asked, yes, but that's not how such calls are received by policy makers. I've definitely seen videos of rioters complaining for being "attacked like Black people" with blue tribe commenters partaking in schadenfreude. But yes my example was a bit obtuse, trying to capture the general attitude of condemning people being angry at the government in the red tribe way.

> this was happening on cable news and talk radio long before it was happening on the internet

I agree that this is part of a longer trend. But there is also a qualitative difference now that pent up anger has turned into mass action, especially over something so clearly farcical. If talk radio had incited something like this in the 90s, there would have been a clear target to blame. Even the gaslighting of politicians' sedition as not-sedition is an artifact of our postmodern media environment.

Re: Capitol Attack Was Months in the Making on Facebook

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I don't mean this unkindly, but your information diet has incredibly serious problems if you haven't come across any legitimate criticisms of the BLM org in the past. As someone whose pet issue has been police and justice system violence for a really, really long time, I really wish BLM wasn't the organization/movement representing this particular struggle[1]. The 2020 iteration is a little more connected to reality…

I would appreciate any pointers at good news sources you recommend.

Thank you for the courteous response to a comment that could easily have been taken as an insult!

I don't think it's about individually high-quality sources as much as it is about how you take in information. Don't consider yourself to understand an issue until you've heard a compelling argument on both sides, or have thoroughly convinced yourself that you've adequately searched through diverse enough fora. Don't read anything, from Alex Jones's Facebook page to the frontpage of the NYT, without spot-checking sources, reading studies, etc. There's no filter that ensures that journalists are the best humanity has to offer: just like all humans, plenty of them are incompetent or dishonest, and beyond that groupthink exists in cultures that get as insular and self-aggrandizing as journalism's. Correctly combine a variety of low-quality signals and you can get a really high-quality signal.

That being said, some general recommendations for individual sources are (in ascending order of obscurity) The Atlantic, Foreign Affairs, and Marginal Revolution (economist Tyler Cowen's blog). I find they do a better job than most of:

1) representing different opinions intellectually honestly

2) being thorough in their reasoning and analysis

and/or

3) being fairly high-quality

Re: Capitol Attack Was Months in the Making on Facebook

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You read my comment before you replied right? You completely dodged the one thing that is actually asked of the reader and tried to jump over the fact this entire thread is based on insinuating an abject lie: that anyone downplayed the George Floyd protests or what happened on Pennsylvania Avenue in any way. - And how is saying that a successful breach of the Capitol Building while congress was trying to certify a ne…

Surely the biggest difference between successful breach of the Capitol and an unsuccessful attack on the White House is the defence? Clearly the attackers/rioters had malicious intent both times, clearly they very extremely violent. The only real difference is the success/failure of the security forces.

That's one of the biggest differences, yes... did I imply otherwise?

The other two are the trigger and the timing.

The trigger being the President, and the timing, while Congress was in session trying to confirm the next President were what took it even further into the public consciousness.

Re: Capitol Attack Was Months in the Making on Facebook

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The violence and property damage wasn't the problem. Democracies can survive some broken windows, stolen laptops, and yes, even people getting hurt and killed at a protest. This sort of thing has happened for decades and centuries. What they can't survive is groups of thugs that don't like the result of an election, and go off to physically prevent its results from being honored. That is unprecedented.

> What they can't survive is... And yet, here we are, democracy intact.

Right, just like Germany survived the Beer Hall Putsch in 1923 just fine, democracy intact.

People are fools to think this is all just suddenly over now that Trump is gone and big-tech de-platformed one tiny social media platform.

Re: Capitol Attack Was Months in the Making on Facebook

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An angry mob surrounded the White House and tried to burn down the Church of the Presidents on May 31, 2020. Trump had to shelter in the bunker, but he was just a coward, and the people were just demanding justice. > Then came darkness, and with it, another night of mayhem. In the park, protesters faced the familiar pop, pop, pop of pepper bullets and stinging clouds of tear gas meant to push back hundreds of them as…

This is the biggest downer of our time to me. The media/elite control of the narrative is astounding and nearly ironclad - and as best I can tell social media is just being used to reinforce it. There is absolutely no doubt in my mind that if white supremacists performed those same actions, it would be described as a violent terroristic insurrection.

None of that was linked to transfer of power or an election

Re: Capitol Attack Was Months in the Making on Facebook

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What would you call the Capital Hill Autonomous Zone if not an attempt at insurrection? Come on, can we have some intellectual honesty here? Both situations sucked, the people involved sucked, their reasoning sucked and they should all go to jail so that sane people can get back to their lives in peace. We are being forced into building absurd logical houses of cards just so we do not concede an inch to the other sid…

This has been the left’s rhetoric for eons. They always excuse their actions because of their ”noble” goals. Same regarding policy - its the stated goal that matters, not the end results and real-world consequences of their policies. Having a convicted terrorist as a director of their beloved BLM movement means nothing. Lofty ideals matter. Invading a city block means nothing. Lofty ideals matter. If you don’t think…

> This has been the left’s rhetoric for eons.

Except it hasn't been. You just don't want to listen to what people are actually saying because it's easier to argue against a strawman.

FWIW lots of people on the left do the same thing. So I guess you're in good company?

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