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Re: Radio users reminded not to use radios in crimes

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Post by paxys »

Lammy wrote: post #129
UI_at_80x24 wrote: post #35

Baofeng's, Baofengs everywhere. Of all the images I have seen of the attempted coup, I have only seen baofeng radios. These are very cheap ($20'ish) radios that work very poorly (they splatter all over the bands) even when equipped with decent antennas. They barely work when equipped with the stock rubber-duck antennas. It's easy to be a snob about the type of radios that they are using, but that's not even the point…

> These people are idiots. It makes me uneasy to see how much commentary on recent events seems to focus on insulting these people instead of hearing how society has failed them and why they're upset even if we tend to disagree with their suggested fixes. I think their presence in DC and that "colorful" person they elected are all symptoms of this behavior.

The people at the Capitol riot/insurrection were all relatively well off. This "economic anxiety" argument is tired and completely fake.

Re: Radio users reminded not to use radios in crimes

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Post by treeman79 »

mhh__ wrote: post #138
Lammy wrote: post #129

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> These people are idiots. It makes me uneasy to see how much commentary on recent events seems to focus on insulting these people instead of hearing how society has failed them and why they're upset even if we tend to disagree with their suggested fixes. I think their presence in DC and that "colorful" person they elected are all symptoms of this behavior.

No amount of "economic anxiety" justifies an explicitly undemocratic coup attempt where people were running around looking to scalp democratically elected leaders. There are real ills in society, but - ignoring that republican voters are significantly uninformed about things like the party's support for healthcare, e.g. Efforts to scrap Obamacare largely hurt poor Trump voters - that doesn't excuse them from the fact…

But burning cities all summer is acceptable?

Or taking over downtown city blocks for months...

Re: Radio users reminded not to use radios in crimes

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Post by mhh__ »

treeman79 wrote: post #142
mhh__ wrote: post #138

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No amount of "economic anxiety" justifies an explicitly undemocratic coup attempt where people were running around looking to scalp democratically elected leaders. There are real ills in society, but - ignoring that republican voters are significantly uninformed about things like the party's support for healthcare, e.g. Efforts to scrap Obamacare largely hurt poor Trump voters - that doesn't excuse them from the fact…

But burning cities all summer is acceptable? Or taking over downtown city blocks for months...

Nice strawman... I don't think either of those things were acceptable either.

Quite frankly lumping in all of the protests over the summer, for example the one The Donald had tear gassed, with the looting that largely took place after dark is really saying the quiet part out loud.

If they'd protested outside the Capitol not in it, I'd be more sympathetic, even if they were campaigning for the end of American Democracy.

Re: Radio users reminded not to use radios in crimes

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Post by dragonwriter »

paxys wrote: post #141
Lammy wrote: post #129

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> These people are idiots. It makes me uneasy to see how much commentary on recent events seems to focus on insulting these people instead of hearing how society has failed them and why they're upset even if we tend to disagree with their suggested fixes. I think their presence in DC and that "colorful" person they elected are all symptoms of this behavior.

The people at the Capitol riot/insurrection were all relatively well off. This "economic anxiety" argument is tired and completely fake.

> The people at the Capitol riot/insurrection were all relatively well off.

“All” probably overstates the case, but it certainly seems that they were disproportionately so. Certainly, those that have been arrested or identified from video (sets that seem to converge over time) seem to be largely employed (prior to the attack, less so after) and not poor.

Re: Radio users reminded not to use radios in crimes

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Post by xenadu02 »

hnuser847 wrote: post #123
generalizations wrote: post #87

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Rebellion is bad Not always. Not saying it is here, but I think it depends on the context. Arab Spring, for instance.

What's interesting to note is that the Arab Spring was largely organized on social media platforms like Facebook and Twitter. US media outlets were thrilled about this, and wrote article after article talking about how these platforms gave the common man the opportunity to vent about police brutality, corruption, election fraud, and unemployment in a way that simply wasn't possible previously. The general attitude at…

A "riot" to eject a dictator vs a "riot" to stop Congress from certifying the winner of the election/install Trump as dictator are - to my eyes - entirely different in character.

People do what it takes to survive. Trump usurping power and ending 230 years of US democracy represents an existential threat. Don't be shocked that a lot of people and companies are not on-board with that idea and are willing to take extreme measures to prevent it.

Re: Radio users reminded not to use radios in crimes

#146

Post by treeman79 »

mhh__ wrote: post #143
treeman79 wrote: post #142

Earlier quoted context omitted.

But burning cities all summer is acceptable? Or taking over downtown city blocks for months...

Nice strawman... I don't think either of those things were acceptable either. Quite frankly lumping in all of the protests over the summer, for example the one The Donald had tear gassed, with the looting that largely took place after dark is really saying the quiet part out loud. If they'd protested outside the Capitol not in it, I'd be more sympathetic, even if they were campaigning for the end of American Democrac…

No straw man. A double standard.

Re: Radio users reminded not to use radios in crimes

#147

Post by NovemberWhiskey »

UI_at_80x24 wrote: post #35

Baofeng's, Baofengs everywhere. Of all the images I have seen of the attempted coup, I have only seen baofeng radios. These are very cheap ($20'ish) radios that work very poorly (they splatter all over the bands) even when equipped with decent antennas. They barely work when equipped with the stock rubber-duck antennas. It's easy to be a snob about the type of radios that they are using, but that's not even the point…

It's always a Baofeng because they're the cheapest radio that looks the part; it's just a cosplay element - along with the plate-carrier with the MOLLE and the camouflage pants.

Re: Radio users reminded not to use radios in crimes

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Post by mhh__ »

treeman79 wrote: post #146
mhh__ wrote: post #143

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Nice strawman... I don't think either of those things were acceptable either. Quite frankly lumping in all of the protests over the summer, for example the one The Donald had tear gassed, with the looting that largely took place after dark is really saying the quiet part out loud. If they'd protested outside the Capitol not in it, I'd be more sympathetic, even if they were campaigning for the end of American Democrac…

No straw man. A double standard.

Which I didn't mention. You raised I point that I didn't comment on even tangentially and argued against that instead.

Re: Radio users reminded not to use radios in crimes

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Post by sitzkrieg »

i_am_proteus wrote: post #120
blhack wrote: post #103

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I don't know why people complain about Baofengs so much. I have a bunch of baofengs that I bought to pass out as emergency radios at burning man. They have saved at least one person's life, because it meant we were able to call the emergency services when somebody had a heart attack and collapsed. I'm sure that guy is glad that that crappy $20 radio was there and a ham operator had configured it for the 911 service i…

People mostly complain about Baofengs because they leak a bunch of RF interference everywhere. Not obvious to the Baofeng user, but obvious to radio operators on other frequencies.

i have measured several models and not witnessed this

Re: Radio users reminded not to use radios in crimes

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Post by sitzkrieg »

nimbius wrote: post #49
UI_at_80x24 wrote: post #35

Baofeng's, Baofengs everywhere. Of all the images I have seen of the attempted coup, I have only seen baofeng radios. These are very cheap ($20'ish) radios that work very poorly (they splatter all over the bands) even when equipped with decent antennas. They barely work when equipped with the stock rubber-duck antennas. It's easy to be a snob about the type of radios that they are using, but that's not even the point…

As a pinch of salt... If you can get a baofeng to last out of the box longer than a week, and manage to DX a handheld or a repeater further than a parking space away, you should at least win a QRP award and a discount on your technicians test before you get sent to the klink.

freely ignore that comment, they're actually fine radios that work well and there is heaps of proof of such
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