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Re: Capitol Attack Was Months in the Making on Facebook

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Post by cltby »

matchbok wrote: post #341
Red_Tarsius wrote: post #112

>The Capitol Attack Where was this rhetoric when Antifa and BLM burned and looted for months with the blessings of all corporations and the mainstream media? Surely the Capitol Hill has an insurance policy? Or does that moronic point only apply to the common folk? Susan Rosenberg literally bombed the Capitol in 1983 and now serves as vice chair of the board of directors of Thousand Currents, a " non-profit foundation…

Such a lazy, and hateful attack. Your post doesn't belong here. We're talking about terrorism here, and your first reaction is: "But what about BLM?!?" They have nothing to do with each other. Your assumption is that people didn't condemn the violence this summer. They did. You just choose to ignore it so you can keep your political nonsense. Get a grip.

Any rational definition of terrorism (lives lost, property damage, etc) would implicate BLM/Antifa orders of magnitude more than the Capitol rioters.

Re: Capitol Attack Was Months in the Making on Facebook

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Post by hanniabu »

trident5000 wrote: post #183
me_me_me wrote: post #168

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> they're actually on the FBI website and contradict everything you're saying You are actually on CIA website marked as terrorist. \s When you make a claim put some effort into it, instead of hearsay. And made up statements to support your point of view

"You are actually on CIA website marked as terrorist. \s" what is the context of this joke Im not following. I stated a fact (FBI statistics) and then an opinion. Are we allowed to do that on the internet?

The context of that joke is that you, just like him, stated a claim with no source.

Re: Capitol Attack Was Months in the Making on Facebook

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Post by afavour »

throwaway_6142 wrote: post #331
dgellow wrote: post #264

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The protest was planned, that’s for sure. But here the context is the attack, not the protest.

Can somebody explain, since this was a long planned coup attempt against a Capitol that has its own police force, in a capital that has one of the largest and most heavily armed police forces in the world, why did the guncrazy far right militants leave their guns at home? And instead behaved mostly like an out of control protest with a few dozen violent rioters? It is a very peculiar way to attempt to overthrow a gov…

You don’t need the guns if you have people on the inside. And a good number of the rioters seemed really quite surprised when law enforcement fought back against them. After all, they were carrying Blue Lives Matter flags, surely the cops are on their side!

(and besides, there were a good number of people with guns at the protest. And some others brought pipe bombs. Thankfully neither ended up being a factor but no one would have known that at the time)

Re: Capitol Attack Was Months in the Making on Facebook

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Post by 0xy »

abvdasker wrote: post #316

What is the purpose of the NSA and FBI if they can’t prevent something this obvious? Wasn’t the supposed bargain that nearly unlimited surveillance of Americans would prevent terrorism? What should be done with agencies incapable of fulfilling their most basic functions?

The Pulse nightclub shooter was reported directly to the FBI for being suspicious at a gun store prior to the attack. They did nothing. The surveillance was rolled out under the guise of protecting you, but it never has. It's for control.

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Post by r00fus »

whoknew1122 wrote: post #266
alwaysdoit wrote: post #138

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Yeah, it's weird that the discussion has centered around censorship, rather than like... why didn't law enforcement shut this down sooner? Or at least properly prepare for it?

Far-right terrorism in the US has never really been taken seriously. No one took them seriously. Until the Capitol was attacked. The Feds are starting to roll up high ranking militia members, so hopefully they learned their lesson this time.

Rolled, and let go on bail? [1] Or just released with a stay-away-from-DC order? [2] The discrepancy between how BLM and white nationalists are treated is staggering.

[1] https://apnews.com/article/arrests-florida-nancy-pelosi-capi...

[2] https://www.forbes.com/sites/nicholasreimann/2021/01/14/judg...

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Post by mdavis6890 »

zarkov99 wrote: post #338
jjoonathan wrote: post #179

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On one hand we have hooligans using a crowd as cover to get away with property damage. On the other we have hooligans organized for the express purpose of overturning the results of a democratic election. In the case of BLM, the crimes don't reflect on the movement's overall purpose. Nobody expects property damage to be a vehicle for police reform -- it's an argument for more police presence, if anything. In the case…

What would you call the Capital Hill Autonomous Zone if not an attempt at insurrection? Come on, can we have some intellectual honesty here? Both situations sucked, the people involved sucked, their reasoning sucked and they should all go to jail so that sane people can get back to their lives in peace. We are being forced into building absurd logical houses of cards just so we do not concede an inch to the other sid…

+1000000 on this. It's all stupid and bad, and we need to stop looking for reasons to excuse it, regardless who is doing it, when or why.

Re: Capitol Attack Was Months in the Making on Facebook

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Post by stickfigure »

krona wrote: post #261
standardUser wrote: post #72

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"If we are principled people, and FB is failing to moderate, then any reasonable person who supported Parler's removal would support Facebook's." Is Facebook failing to moderate, or failing at moderation? If the standard is perfect moderation, there is no social media. If the standard is a good faith efforts at moderation, Facebook should be tolerated (if not compelled to do better) and Parler should be punished (unl…

How many massacres and beheadings have been live streamed on FB at this point? And yet very few seem to think FB is the problem.

What are you proposing? Banning live streaming?

Moderation is inherently an after-the-fact phenomenon. People are going to do unpredictable things, sometimes bad.

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Post by 9wzYQbTYsAIc »

gamblor956 wrote: post #337
9wzYQbTYsAIc wrote: post #20

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Apple’s reasoning was their incapacity to moderate violent messages, not their ratio of violent messages.

And Facebook removes such posts when they are made aware of them, while Parler expressly does not , so what is your point?

That it isn’t a matter of proportion that caused Apple to pull Parler from their App Store.

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Post by throwaway_6142 »

mgkimsal wrote: post #348
throwaway_6142 wrote: post #331

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Can somebody explain, since this was a long planned coup attempt against a Capitol that has its own police force, in a capital that has one of the largest and most heavily armed police forces in the world, why did the guncrazy far right militants leave their guns at home? And instead behaved mostly like an out of control protest with a few dozen violent rioters? It is a very peculiar way to attempt to overthrow a gov…

I suspect they thought there'd be more complicity or active support from the police/guards. bringing your guns out in the open directly would have been too visible a giveaway up front, giving people time to react/block.

Oh, of course; 'my political enemies are moustash-twirling evil geniuses whose masterful contrived plan months in the making is such an imminent threat to democracy that we must suspend it to save it, but they are simultaneously ridiculously stupid and comically inept imbecilles completely detached from reality'.

It sounds suspiciously like the crude rhetoric of war progaganda to dehumanize an enemy.

Edit: instaflagged of course, stay classy lefties.

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Post by dmix »

refurb wrote: post #308
deepspace wrote: post #234

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And getting up-voted too. I thought the BLM=Looters talking point was debunked a long time ago, given that BLM protests took place mainly in the daytime, while the looting was done by thugs, at night, after the protesters went home. So it is very strange to see that narrative being taken at face value here.

So you’re able to clearly separate out the bad actors from BLM, but apparently not with Trump supporters?

‘Even the bad actors aren’t really that bad because they support a cause I see as valuable’ seems to be the primary excuse floating around on here.

All political violence should be treated equally.

I also think that all races/genders/etc should be treated equally but even that has become taboo in progressive circles. Which is probably using the same sort of mental gymnastics that justifies some violence but not vilifies others.

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