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Re: China wants to build an open source ecosystem to rival GitHub

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Post by 430scuderia »

Symbiote wrote: post #33
430scuderia wrote: post #21

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This. I can't believe there are people on HN cheering on the CCP for strengthening its censorship. I guess those are the very people that also support it on American soil.

This is a flamebait comment. Not one comment on this article is supportive.

at the time I wrote it I've read a few comments that was fairly supportive but they've been deleted since. Thank you for policing the comments I think its great that you are making the best use of your time.

wouldn't be the first time somebody tried to gate keep criticisms of CCP on here and won't be the last.

Re: China wants to build an open source ecosystem to rival GitHub

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Post by zepto »

tharne wrote: post #29
duxup wrote: post #12

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I fear it can work. I think despite our distaste for some of the censorship that will occur when it comes to social control and etc, ultimately the meat of github and open source would be entirely functional within a CCP run context. Bug reports about a particular project? Provide a particular leader isn't embarrassed I don't expect anyone to care. I suspect they'd let the engineers fight it out and only care about t…

I think you're right. There's been this long held belief that you can't create the level of prosperity seen in the U.S. and Europe without having a free(ish) and open society. China is showing everyone that there's another way to do it. I don't know why people keep underestimating China and the CCP.

It’s worth pointing out that almost everything China has accomplished during this period of growth has been about aggressively adopting practices and technologies that were developed in Europe and the US.

What happens now that they have succeeded at this, remains to be seen.

Re: China wants to build an open source ecosystem to rival GitHub

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Post by 430scuderia »

onenightnine wrote: post #24
430scuderia wrote: post #21

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This. I can't believe there are people on HN cheering on the CCP for strengthening its censorship. I guess those are the very people that also support it on American soil.

yeah agreed, i don't think they are connecting the dots. they are missing large sections of knowledge that would protect them and the lives of those around them. but for some odd reason they have mental blocks when trying to help them out flawed framework

I mean look how fast they flagged my comment. I guess they wanted to prove my point badly. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Re: China wants to build an open source ecosystem to rival GitHub

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Post by dheera »

temporalparts wrote: post #65
dheera wrote: post #50

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Well yes and no. If they are open to the rest of the world a lot of money would end up in Silicon Valley. If Facebook and Google ran ads all over China, a nice big cut of that revenue goes to the IRS instead of China's government.

The money would only flow there if the services Silicon Valley is producing is worth the money to the purchasers. None of these transactions are zero-sum and tech isn't the only thing in the world that matters.

Well yes but China has its own replacements that are worth even more to the purchasers because they are highly localized, to a degree that a multi-language global product would never be able to accomplish.

Re: China wants to build an open source ecosystem to rival GitHub

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Post by himujjal »

etaioinshrdlu wrote: post #7

They want to block Github entirely because Github allows for the free flow of information (politically sensitive information, not just code) and they don't have a way of doing currently without just blocking all of Github... Which would be bad for business, and China also seems to be entering the software business in a bigger way. Actually, if you want to send large amounts of text information to users in China right…

I am using a github fork of a chinese woman, dacez to build my own markup lang.

I have seen considerable chinese github projects. xmake is one of them i use

Re: China wants to build an open source ecosystem to rival GitHub

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Post by mschip »

muricula wrote: post #36
mschip wrote: post #19

I'm sure they've always wanted this - but recent events likely made it a glaring necessity in their eyes. When Apple and Google app stores removed Parler it was a big deal, a bigger deal was AWS deplatforming them - a logical step further would be removing the hosted source code. I'm in no way commenting on whether it would be right or wrong, but its not hard to imagine a scenario where company morals begin to come i…

I don't think the CCP cares about an obscure American social network. They know they have a dependency on American software & software distribution mechanisms, & have known far longer than Parler has been around.

The obscure American social network is not the interesting bit of information. It's that the infrastructure and delivery corporations decided overnight not to support a customer for not aligning with their values.

Re: China wants to build an open source ecosystem to rival GitHub

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Post by ausbah »

cbozeman wrote: post #58
etaioinshrdlu wrote: post #7

They want to block Github entirely because Github allows for the free flow of information (politically sensitive information, not just code) and they don't have a way of doing currently without just blocking all of Github... Which would be bad for business, and China also seems to be entering the software business in a bigger way. Actually, if you want to send large amounts of text information to users in China right…

The idea of China wanting an open source platform like GitHub is akin to Adolf Hitler starting The Nazi Center for Jewish Appreciation & Cultural Enrichment.

this is a very distasteful analogy

Re: China wants to build an open source ecosystem to rival GitHub

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Post by stunt »

etaioinshrdlu wrote: post #7

They want to block Github entirely because Github allows for the free flow of information (politically sensitive information, not just code) and they don't have a way of doing currently without just blocking all of Github... Which would be bad for business, and China also seems to be entering the software business in a bigger way. Actually, if you want to send large amounts of text information to users in China right…

No, I don't think it's about blocking Github. Many of their tech companies are using open source.

For China it's safer to have a Chinese Github ecosystem. Just imagine if Github suddenly decide to block Chinese users like they did for Iranian users.

It's also strategic for their government and some critical private sector to not put their source code on an American platform. So there are enough incentives especially after everything that happened to Huawei.

Re: China wants to build an open source ecosystem to rival GitHub

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Post by vgchh »

Thing is that in the big picture, it's not just that China is building a replacement for GitHub. China is building a replacement for everything that matters and accelerates their transition to be the Super Power. And they have been doing so for last 30 years, just that now it's hitting a critical mass and world is waking up to it.

And I think, we, The West, have been getting it wrong. We are looking at China like a jealous neighbor, pushing back politically, through regulations and sanctions. Unfortunately that can only go so far. Thing is China is obsessed (and determined) about progressing and West is obsessed about protecting what it already has.

America needs to be obsessed about creating and innovating. Hard creation and innovation on a scale never seen before - like 1000x the man-on-the-moon scale.

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