NIH syndrome as a political ideology.
I guess that’s any form of nationalism though.
China wants to build an open source ecosystem to rival GitHub
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Re: China wants to build an open source ecosystem to rival GitHub
#62Earlier quoted context omitted.
The problem is that this organic startup is now a enterprise behemoth that can be trusted as much as CCP: Microsoft.
> The problem is that this organic startup is now a enterprise behemoth that can be trusted as much as CCP: Microsoft. Remind me again when MS killed millions of people and committed genocide? I mean, Windows is horrible, but this is a bit much. I apologize for the snark (I really don't think it's a good way to communicate) but this is a shockingly bad opinion. Comparing a bad company to a totalitarian regime that ro…
That blue screen of death wasn't just for show.
Re: China wants to build an open source ecosystem to rival GitHub
#63Earlier quoted context omitted.
Baidu and Alibaba have open source projects (RocketMQ has been donated to Apache by Alibaba http://rocketmq.apache.org ) Chinese developers are the second largest group of contributors on GitHub there's also a billion and a half of them, most of them don't speak english (edit: not all of the Chinese people are developers of course) Anyway, GitHub itself it's not OSS and it's owned by Microsoft AFAIK open source contr…
Thanks for that info. I knew about Baidu and Alibaba repos but I was more curious how open source was culturally perceived.
I only know from friends living there, take anything I say as speculations, but what I gather is that they see open source as a technical advantage over starting from scratch, it's not a spontaneous movement.
it makes sense from the point of view of a country that has gained a leading position worldwide from accurately reproducing something that already existed.
judging from the number of Linux distro they are releasing I think they are pretty serious about it.
Re: China wants to build an open source ecosystem to rival GitHub
#64Re: China wants to build an open source ecosystem to rival GitHub
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I'm sure it's hurting CCP right now. Being closed off from the rest of the world does have its consequences. It probably just doesn't hurt CCP enough to matter in the short term. It'll probably take closer to half a century before we can truly understand if the cumulative effects of the pain will amount to anything significant.
Well yes and no. If they are open to the rest of the world a lot of money would end up in Silicon Valley. If Facebook and Google ran ads all over China, a nice big cut of that revenue goes to the IRS instead of China's government.
The money would only flow there if the services Silicon Valley is producing is worth the money to the purchasers.
None of these transactions are zero-sum and tech isn't the only thing in the world that matters.
Re: China wants to build an open source ecosystem to rival GitHub
#66They want to block Github entirely because Github allows for the free flow of information (politically sensitive information, not just code) and they don't have a way of doing currently without just blocking all of Github... Which would be bad for business, and China also seems to be entering the software business in a bigger way. Actually, if you want to send large amounts of text information to users in China right…
I assume it also has just as much to do with Microsoft buying it. See also: skype. Not just because they don't want Chinese code stored on foreign servers, but because they want it on servers they have easy access to. Even if this is far-fetched, it's not about what we think, but the risk China perceives.
Honest question: are you suggesting that microsoft buying github makes it harder for the Chinese government to access the servers?
Re: China wants to build an open source ecosystem to rival GitHub
#67They want to block Github entirely because Github allows for the free flow of information (politically sensitive information, not just code) and they don't have a way of doing currently without just blocking all of Github... Which would be bad for business, and China also seems to be entering the software business in a bigger way. Actually, if you want to send large amounts of text information to users in China right…
How long before this strategy backfires? When does the CCP hurt itself because it stifled innovation? When does it have political problems because it suppressed the wrong thing? I can't tell if this style of governing is super robust or a house of cards.
Hard to say because they seem to be letting others do the innovating and then they just copy what works.
Re: China wants to build an open source ecosystem to rival GitHub
#68Re: China wants to build an open source ecosystem to rival GitHub
#69Earlier quoted context omitted.
Well yes and no. If they are open to the rest of the world a lot of money would end up in Silicon Valley. If Facebook and Google ran ads all over China, a nice big cut of that revenue goes to the IRS instead of China's government.
Given that China already has its own equivalent of Facebook and Google, possibly backed by the government. Penetrating that market may prove to be a significant challenge.
That's the parent comment's point: closing the doors led to them being able to build and establish that in-house stuff instead of sending money to other countries...
Re: China wants to build an open source ecosystem to rival GitHub
#70I think that until China views the West as safe, it will continue to do these things. Chinese tend to view Westerners (Anglo/American in particular) as dodgy, yet charismatic, which is the reason for these trust issues.
Rooting this attitude is an observance of the events of the last fifty years. In others’ minds, Japan was competing pretty fairly, and beating the U.S. until the Paris accords. Russia was freed from communism, only to enter a 2nd-world decline in which it was mocked in major papers like the New York Times. The Iraq occupation, and the Arab Spring reinforced the distrust that the American goal of spreading its style of governance was more about itself than the rest of the world. It made for a good story, but it did not follow through. There is, above all, the inability of the third world to modernize under the American-supported capitalist framework.
The attitude given in the article is problematic because it doesn’t quite capture how Chinese engineers feel about this dynamic. It feels more like the narrative that Western Americans want to hear. I’ve gotten the impression that many feel that their government is overbearing. But I don’t get the sense that they trust what America says more. That’s a real legitimacy and credibility issue, and as we should know, politics is rooted in legitimacy. More one-sided criticism of China’s strategy is not going to help America’s case. It feels dodgy, too good to be true.