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Re: Radio users reminded not to use radios in crimes

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post #15

I can already hear the cries of censorship. "What do you mean crimes aren't protected speech?"

I think more interesting is how to decide in advance if a particular use is use in crime. Before a judge will decide there is a crime.

Step 1: Look at some law books. If it's in there, then it's definitely a crime.

Re: Radio users reminded not to use radios in crimes

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Speculation: we're just about to see a bunch of secondary offense charges come down for the Capitol riots, or at the very least forfeiture of the equipment.

I wonder if the executive order signed the other day might be relevant to this (preventative in its effect rather than complementary)? https://www.whitehouse.gov/presidential-actions/executive-or...

Re: Radio users reminded not to use radios in crimes

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People who are intending to use radios to commit crimes aren't going to read this and go... "Darn."

As a HAM, to the other HAMs who are worried the FCC will use this as justification to curtail your privilges -- they will, and they'll tell you it's necessary for your own safety.

Will it make us any safer? Of course not. So where does the real problem lie? The people using radios to commit crimes, or the government using that as justification to restrict freedoms?

The answer is: yes.

Re: Radio users reminded not to use radios in crimes

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This might be a dumb question, but is there any information out there about how much official monitoring goes on for amateur bands (and other bands, for that matter)? Are there strategically placed logging stations that allow triangulation of signal origin based on RSSI etc? I guess this stuff is super commonplace in SIGINT, I just don't know much about it.

Depends on what you mean by official. The NRO has geostationary satellites whose sole purpose is to slurp up all RF across its footprint for later analysis. This is not used for FCC rule enforcement.

In the Capitol area, it's highly likely multiple agencies are capturing all RF for later analysis. This is also not used for FCC rule enforcement.

The FCC has the ability to locate signals using directionfinding equipment, but as mentioned elsewhere, usually that's left to Amateurs themselves on their bands.

Re: Radio users reminded not to use radios in crimes

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post #20

This might be a dumb question, but is there any information out there about how much official monitoring goes on for amateur bands (and other bands, for that matter)? Are there strategically placed logging stations that allow triangulation of signal origin based on RSSI etc? I guess this stuff is super commonplace in SIGINT, I just don't know much about it.

Hams routinely monitor and triangulate noncompliant stations, and also do staged "fox hunting" games for fun & prestige. But, I don't think it's routine or widespread to monitor the ham bands at scale for illegal or unsavory content.

It's well known that certain frequencies in the 75m band are "watering holes" for conspiracy theorists and racists.

Re: Radio users reminded not to use radios in crimes

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post #3

What is the practical implication? I guess they are saying: "don't involve radios in your crime, or else the feds will be after you, too".

I think they're saying if you use the radio to commit your crime they can and will pile on additional federal charges.

I'm sure they saw the paramilitary LARPers at the Capitol carrying radios capable of the frequencies in question. I'm sure some of them are on video using the radios and are about to be charged.

Re: Radio users reminded not to use radios in crimes

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> The Bureau has become aware of discussions on social media platforms suggesting that certain radio services regulated by the Commission may be an alternative to social media platforms for groups to communicate and coordinate future activities.

“Stop discussing plans for a revolution on amateur radio bands like if we aren’t listening to them, we are, stop believing everything they say on Facebook. I mean, we do encourage civil discussions, but if you’re going to collude on terrorism over the radio we will hold you responsible for that”

Re: Radio users reminded not to use radios in crimes

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> The Bureau has become aware of discussions on social media platforms suggesting that certain radio services regulated by the Commission may be an alternative to social media platforms [...] Amateur and Personal Radio Services, however, may not be used to commit or facilitate crimes.

The sequitur between "social media platforms" and "commit or facilitate crimes" is quite interesting.

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