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Post by rubyist5eva » Tue, Jan 19, 2021, 3:53 PM UTC

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Trump did not "credibly tell[] people to actually go and commit violence". He "set the stage" as it were, and people did what they did. It's really not that different from what the women did: She got people upset about Islam.

Directly after Rudy told the crowd “let’s have trial by combat!”, the President told his followers to march on the capitol. Then he watched them lay siege to the capitol on TV for hours before half-heartedly telling them to go home. To me, that’s credible incitement to violence. Making factual statements about Islam is not incitement to violence. The woman did not want or ask those who dislike her remarks to get viol…

Post by jacquesm » Tue, Jan 19, 2021, 4:04 PM UTC

sanderjd wrote: post #887

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Essentially you're talking about roughly 33% or so of the American electorate, that's bound to get some downvotes, I wouldn't sweat it, note the good guys, upvote them where you can and stick around to stop it from sliding away even further. And yes, it is annoying. Also: typically it corrects itself in the longer run, so don't take a snapshot like this as the end state.

I've been here for almost 15 years and this is not some normal blip. It's true that the 2016 comment threads (the only corollary to this that I have seen) sucked, but they were not dominated by the toxic as this one is. It is not true that a third of the population is partaking in apologetics for violence. But it is true that more than half the community here appears to be. Thanks for your reply, though.

Post by throwaway894345 » Tue, Jan 19, 2021, 4:29 PM UTC

tinyhouse wrote: post #814

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> I can't believe this needs to be said, but the fact it failed doesn't mean the danger wasn't real. The danger is unreal not because it failed, but because it was obviously going to fail. We're talking about a bunch of delusional LARPers. If some foreign intelligence unit tries and fails to overthrow your country's government, that's insurrection. If it's the doofus who stole the podium or the guy with face paint an…

I agree with the sentiment that this thing was blown out of proportion. I watched the videos and the police could easily stop them by using deadly force. They decided not to and the protestors took advantage of it. There was only one woman who got shot from my understanding. I think the police should get a lot of credit here. That's the police we want to see - officers who use common sense and don't apply deadly forc…

Post by vangelis » Tue, Jan 19, 2021, 4:34 PM UTC

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I gotta say, recent events have left me shaken to my core. I thought I believed in free speech, to the point where I started a company dedicated to providing privacy and communications products that were not subject to control by any central authority (that turns out to be very hard!) But watching the events of the past few years unfold I am no longer convinced that this would really make the world a better place. I…

I don't think there's a credible threat to civilization, but perhaps a credible threat to our prevailing thoughts on governance. There is no good justification that the people of Los Angeles should have to live under the rules and cultural customs of Mobile Alabama. Nor should the people of Mobile Alabama be forced to live under the rules and cultural norms of Los Angeles. As long as we re forced to toggle back and f…

Post by Bakary » Tue, Jan 19, 2021, 4:42 PM UTC

Nursie wrote: post #857

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Curious, do you see value in democracy? Because it seems pretty obvious to me that you can't have democracy without freedom of speech. Otherwise you do not get the true will of the people, only will of the purveyors of acceptable opinion.

The consequences of unfettered freedom to propagate lies on mass communication platforms under the banner of "freedom of speech" has directly endangered the democratic proces in the US, less than a week ago. So to throw your own phrase back at you - it seems pretty obvious to me that democracy is threatened by what we currently think of as freedom of speech on mass media platforms, just as much as you think it would…