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NovelWriter 1.0 – A markdown-like editor for writing novels

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Re: NovelWriter 1.0 – A markdown-like editor for writing novels

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I would be interested to know why you choose "Ulysses" and not "Odysseus"? ps. I followed a conversation about James Joyce novel which was hinted that there is a difference between the two names and Joyce didn't pick "Ulysses" randomly. I'd like to know if you went through the same process. UPDATE: Ok, I mis-read the comment, I though the name of the Novel was Ulysses, apparently it is an app.

It's a writing-focused word processor for MacOS and iOS. https://ulysses.app/

Which moved to subscription model and lost me completely. After trying Scrivener, I realised that for my needs is overkill, moved to something that I know will not bite me in the future: Folder organisation plus Vim - Org mode. Adobe in their infinite greed ruined propriety software model for all. SaaS is pure hell.

Re: NovelWriter 1.0 – A markdown-like editor for writing novels

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Outside of the more technically inclined; Does anyone who is a long-form (novel) writer actually use markdown? Outside of blogging, which it was invented for and makes total sense for syntax conversion of free formed text to html is there any real use for it? Obviously you don't have to use it if you don't want to, but it sort of feels odd to me that all these developers making writing/notes apps that neglect rich te…

i do, but i'm an unpublished writer. i didn't start using markdown until i learned to code. also, non-technical writers need to learn how to use git.

Re: NovelWriter 1.0 – A markdown-like editor for writing novels

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Looks really good. Like a simplified version of Scrivener, which is awesome. Would be awesome if I can import it to Scrivener and the other way around.

Scrivener is the novelist standard now isn't it?

Depends what you mean by "standard". It is very widely used, but the closest thing to a standard in the sense of something needed for interoperation is docx.

Re: NovelWriter 1.0 – A markdown-like editor for writing novels

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Looks really good. Like a simplified version of Scrivener, which is awesome. Would be awesome if I can import it to Scrivener and the other way around.

Scrivener is the novelist standard now isn't it?

Somewhat. However, their manuscript → markdown export has issues. I have seen people struggling with the flavor of its markdown a bit as well.

OP has a great solution that focuses on markdown alone. And that's a welcome change!

Re: NovelWriter 1.0 – A markdown-like editor for writing novels

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I think you are assuming. I also think there's a confusion here and that you're talking specifically about RTF while the people responding to you are talking about the capabilities provided when they use "rich". The point being that Markdown has far more formatting features than most people who write novels need, and so it is "rich enough" as a format. I've written two novels and I'm writing my third, and as others h…

But I am not assuming at all. In fact most professional writers still use Microsoft Word. It's sort of how people don't realize the world still runs on Microsoft Excel. Markdown is not "rich" in any way. It's syntactical representation for what you want the "exported" text to look like. It is not a drop in replacement for rich text editing. Of course people who come here are going to be the outliers of this use case…

> Go ask Neil Gaiman or Stephen King if they know markdown and after explaining what it is ask if they need it? And I'd be willing to put money on them just stating "why not just make my italic text italic, why do I really need to put special characters around it?"

Gaiman has at least in the past stated he prefers to write his first drafts with a fountain pen in a physical notebook, to the point where there's various lists of the specific brands of pens he uses.

Stephen King prefers a Waterman fountain pen, though he's also been known to use typewriters, and may very well also use word processors. He's known to use Word for some work, certainly.

But because of the tools a lot of novelists use, a lot are used to using special marks to indicate the (very limited) formatting they do. Many people use multiple tools, including pens, text editors, smartphones, typewriters, or whatever is to hand. For some picking tools depending on what they work on is part of the process.

You may be right that most professional writers today use Word, but novelists makes up a very specific subset of professional writers and have very much idiosyncratic ideas about their preferred writing environment, ranging from the aforementioned fountain pens on anything from loose-leaf paper to very specific notebook choices, to old typewriters (some insisting on specific models of manual typewriters), via long outdated word processors, to modern word processors or editors written specifically for novelists (like Scrivener etc.). Or tools like the one linked here.

The point remains that in terms for formatting, Markdown is sufficient and simple. That does not mean it will be what everyone will prefer, like or even tolerate. But it has all the functionality needed to represent the formatting done in a typical novel, with minimal interference in the writing.

Re: NovelWriter 1.0 – A markdown-like editor for writing novels

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Screenshots: https://novelwriter.readthedocs.io/en/stable/int_introductio... From the main page ( https://novelwriter.io ): novelWriter is a Markdown-like text editor designed for writing novels and larger projects of many smaller plain text documents. It uses its own flavour of Markdown that supports a meta data syntax for comments, synopsis, and cross-referencing between files. It's designed to be a simple text edi…

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In cases where a project hasn't been discussed on HN before, which it appears this one hasn't, we change the link to the project home page. I've changed it to that from https://github.com/vkbo/novelWriter/releases/tag/v1.0 now.

Re: NovelWriter 1.0 – A markdown-like editor for writing novels

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I also use Ulysses and very happy with it (except for it being a subscription based product). The feature that I would miss the most by switching to novelWriter or another open source solution would be the following: - auto cloud sync across all devices (I can even write on my phone if I think of something while waiting for the bus) - print quality output in PDF and epub with a single click (and many available themes…

"auto cloud sync across all devices" hmmm - if it is an editor that handles text files, then myself, I would rely on one of the myriad of sync tools/platforms available, rather than have someone else's implementation

syncthing is the tool i use for that now

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how do you convert from markdown to standard manuscript format? starting to write in markdown or even plain text is fine, but once the first draft is submitted to the editor or sent to a publisher for consideration it usually needs to be a word or rtf document in standard manuscript format. once converted i am stuck using libreoffice to revise and edit the story. i found tools that convert from markdown to ODF (which…

I tried out and one issue I had was with indented paragraphs. I ended up using LibreWriter's regex search replace to remove all the extraneous newlines.

can you describe the complete process you use to convert your documents?

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Outside of the more technically inclined; Does anyone who is a long-form (novel) writer actually use markdown? Outside of blogging, which it was invented for and makes total sense for syntax conversion of free formed text to html is there any real use for it? Obviously you don't have to use it if you don't want to, but it sort of feels odd to me that all these developers making writing/notes apps that neglect rich te…

I think most authors don't write in richer text format than markdown.

They don't produce richer text, they might write in a richer format, if you can all it that. Non-printing notes/comments were quite common in the DOS days, similar to the "front matter" in the screen shots, or what people would put in separate UI sections in tools like Scrivener or Ulysses (chapter notes, marginalia, cork boards etc.)

A more code-like (and probably extreme) perspective would be this screenshot from sci-fi author Vernor Vinge:

http://www.norwescon.org/archives/norwescon33/images/Vinge_s...

All kinds of annoations, references, etc – only the indented text is actual for publication.

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